[MD] a haunting

[Ron Kulp]

 SA,
Basho is the bomb, I love his work, I don't have ZMM with me, and as
usual I probably loaned it out..but if I can, I'll  locate the  chapter
and pages, I think the gumption trap sequence and how it disrupts
quality would give you some insight. By the way
I wanted to tell you that I view the value of your job as being
tremendous, it's the fact that you care, you are right there face to
face with this "haunting", give yourself credit where credit is due. It
cannot be easy, particularly if these girls have a poor view of men.
Having a positive male role model they can trust must seem alien to
them.
I will find "The Ancient Child" and read it. Thanks!

Darkness,
Cold,
Somewhere a dog barks
-Ron

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Ron,

     [Ron]
> I believe that's what we both see is what Pirsig saw..that 
> disassociation. Sounds like you are right on the front everyday, I 
> dated a girl Who worked in the inner-city school system and a 
> correctional facility..she had a nervous breakdown, the students were 
> such a problem that She spent her time disciplining and not teaching, 
> when she had a few expelled, they stalked her. It's difficult to not 
> take it home with you.
> It becomes psycological warfare, Pirsig mentions "caring"  a craftsman

> "cares" about what he's doing he builds that care into the job Then he

> discribes "gumption traps", that's what I really dig about Pirsig some

> would deem his ability to speak in common terms as "dumbing It down" 
> but,that ability to really relate on that level holds more creedance 
> to his words for me anyway.A Gumption trap is a dissruption In that 
> process. Caring for a child is a demanding task  especially the first 
> few months there is little time for "self"
> plus
> It's unknown territory if this is your first.
> Reading became my "woods "
> I read Sidhartha by Herman Hess . Which has a message on Parenting.


     Where did Pirsig mention gumption traps?  I remember this, but the
details of Pirsig's discussion would fit well now I'm sure.  I'm going
to try to find it, but if you know what chapters he discusses this I
would appreciate if you could relay this to me.  I probably won't have
the time to look it up any time soon, but I would like to get to it
since you have brought it up as something that might provide insight
into primary experience in this disassociated culture.
 As to Siddhartha, I started to read it and almost completed it, but put
it down for some reason about a month ago or so.  I'll have to finish
it.  It was interesting.
     I love the woods, and I have found some books to inspire a woodsy
experience, too.  And since I've been in this haiku type mood here's
another one, but this time it's not one I've originated.  

           What voice,
     what song, spider,
          in the autumn wind?
                    -Basho (1644-1694; Japan)

Thanks,
SA

P.S.  Could not this haunting be what I think your saying, which is the
primary experience we have in this disassociated culture?  In other
words, this haunting is "psychological warfare"?  As the writer Calvin
Martin calls this culture "an ontology of fear".  This nightmare issue
that has been brought up at times on the MoQ.org Calvin roots in the
agricultural mentality, which can be Aztec or Greek, but it is the
Western ontology of fear that has the huge population and power now.  It
is an ontology very different from those cultures that trust that the
earth and sky will take care of us.  Oh, and by the way, speaking of
"nervous breakdown", have you read any of N. Scott Momaday books,
particularly "The Ancient Child"?


 
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