[MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes

[Micah]

David,

Again, that is consumerism - not capitalism.

Micah


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of David M
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addictively consuming junk,until the planet is a wasteland, really bright!

David M

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From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes


> Stella completely misunderstands capitalism. Capitalism is the logical
> extension of individual freedom in the marketplace. Consumerism is not
> capitalism. Capitalism is not theology. It is the freedom to exchange
> goods
> and services without coercion.
>
> Micah
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Stella Lindblom
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:46 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
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>
>
> I think I got it. We didn't get very far in the discussion, but I learned
> some important things. Not the one's I had looked for, but others. It's
> see no use to discuss this further.
>
> Capitalist thinking is one of the components in the founding of the USA, a
> part of it's essence. It's intertwined in it's culture and history in such
> a way that it is impossible to separate the two.
>
> All cultures have a Story about themselves and about what is important and
> valuable. The US Story is "the self-made man", "the American dream",
> "freedom to money" and things of that kind. It's all about the right to
> get rich, the value of becoming Somebody (and Somebodies are  or always
> become extremely wealthy) and spreading the right way of living over the
> world because happiness may only be found in comsumerism.
>
> But I'm not american - I don't belive in this, and I don't believe it's
> worth the while to discuss it further. Why? In trying to examine the
> foundations of capitalism and the distorted way we are dealing with
> valuables today, I have to de-construct "the american way of life",
> something that in turn is a part of the identity of being american. The
> values of society is part of our national identities, regardless of
> nationality, and anything I say against capitalism will be construed as a
> slur on America herself, and in extension, a slur on the identity of
> anybody believing in capitalism. So I stop here. I now understand that
> this is a question of theology.
>
>
> No need to tell me things on-list as I will un-subscribe as soon as this
> message is posted.
> If anybody feels inclined to contact me for whatever reason, it may be
> done off-list.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stella
>
>
>
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