[MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes

[David M]

Hi Micah

Don't you imagine there might be a connection
between the name for the system and the way it
manifests? The system does not really want us
to all be good litlle savers does it? Open your
eyes, our society is so conformist, how does this
come into being? Who is benefitting? What
processes support this bland conformity?

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes


> David,
>
> Again, that is consumerism - not capitalism.
>
> Micah
>
>
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of David M
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> addictively consuming junk,until the planet is a wasteland, really bright!
>
> David M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:16 PM
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>
>> Stella completely misunderstands capitalism. Capitalism is the logical
>> extension of individual freedom in the marketplace. Consumerism is not
>> capitalism. Capitalism is not theology. It is the freedom to exchange
>> goods
>> and services without coercion.
>>
>> Micah
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Stella Lindblom
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:46 AM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism in all it's shapes
>>
>>
>> I think I got it. We didn't get very far in the discussion, but I learned
>> some important things. Not the one's I had looked for, but others. It's
>> see no use to discuss this further.
>>
>> Capitalist thinking is one of the components in the founding of the USA, 
>> a
>> part of it's essence. It's intertwined in it's culture and history in 
>> such
>> a way that it is impossible to separate the two.
>>
>> All cultures have a Story about themselves and about what is important 
>> and
>> valuable. The US Story is "the self-made man", "the American dream",
>> "freedom to money" and things of that kind. It's all about the right to
>> get rich, the value of becoming Somebody (and Somebodies are  or always
>> become extremely wealthy) and spreading the right way of living over the
>> world because happiness may only be found in comsumerism.
>>
>> But I'm not american - I don't belive in this, and I don't believe it's
>> worth the while to discuss it further. Why? In trying to examine the
>> foundations of capitalism and the distorted way we are dealing with
>> valuables today, I have to de-construct "the american way of life",
>> something that in turn is a part of the identity of being american. The
>> values of society is part of our national identities, regardless of
>> nationality, and anything I say against capitalism will be construed as a
>> slur on America herself, and in extension, a slur on the identity of
>> anybody believing in capitalism. So I stop here. I now understand that
>> this is a question of theology.
>>
>>
>> No need to tell me things on-list as I will un-subscribe as soon as this
>> message is posted.
>> If anybody feels inclined to contact me for whatever reason, it may be
>> done off-list.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Stella
>>
>>
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