[MD] Julian Baggini interview

[ian glendinning]

Again for public record, I'd just like to confirm the essential truth
of those points where Mark & Glenn's story crosses with mine. Nothing
for me to argue with, and as confirmed again, we were quite
independently wound up by these events.

Ian


On 11/5/06, Squonkonguitar at aol.com <Squonkonguitar at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
> The line where Ant says:
> "A complete transcript of the  interview doesn't really
> exist..." is in the following  post:
>
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2006-October/006636
> .html
>
> Ant  is not saying that a transcript does not exist,
> he's just saying that one  with the social niceties
> included isn't available. I don't know why he  bothered
> to mention this, but apparently it's caused you
> confusion.
>
> Mark 5-11-06: Hello Glenn.
> Yes, it has caused me confusion. I wasn't asking about it.
> Julian wrote: 'Thanks. I thought Anthony McWatt has posted it on
> robertpirsig.org - or
> at least the full transcript. I suggest you  contact him. Cheers Julian'
>
> I asked Anthony why the interview wasn't where it should be, not where  i
> could find it because it wasn't where it should be?
> Julian tells me he thought it was already on robertpirsig.org. What gave  him
> that idea? Simple: that was the intended arrangement.
>
> Anthony tells me where it is and provides a link, but why isn't it on
> robertpirsig.org?
> Answer: Because it doesn't really exist.
> The only transcript i'm interested in is the one that should be on
> robertpirsig.org, and that certainly does exists; Anthony has just provided a  link to
> it.
>
> Glenn:
> You'll see that higher up in the same post
> he puts a link to the  transcript where it's hosted on
> TPM. If you follow that link it should lead  you to the
> same transcript that Baggini attached to the email he
> sent  you.
>
> Mark 5-11-06: And this transcript should have been placed on
> robertpirsig.org when Baggini sent it to Anthony.
>
> Glenn:
> I'm not sure Ant was that clear when he described how
> the  interview was conducted. Since Pirsig only
> entrusts a few people with his  email address, Baggini
> not being one of them, Baggini had to send  the
> questions to Anthony, and then Anthony forwarded them
> to Pirsig. The  answers were funneled back to Baggini
> in the reverse direction.
>
> The TPM Jan 2006 edition had an article by Baggini
> about the  interview and it was available on the web by
> Jan 11. It stayed up for about 3  months and was
> removed when the next edition came out. moq.org links
> to  this and that's why it no longer works. The
> transcript of the interview  (which was separate from
> the article) was also made available on the web at  the
> same time and it's still available. Links to it are
> available from my  moq site (home.comcast.net/~moq/)
> and Matt Kundert's  blog
> (pirsigaffliction.blogspot.com/)
>
> Mark 5-11-06: I find it incredulous that Pirsig material is available on at
> least two sites which are not MOQ.org or robertpirsig.org.
> This interview was born and left to fend for itself without any help from
> the very people one would expect to keep it archived.
> For years people have been providing Horse with Pirsig related material dug
> up from forgotten sources which has then been proudly included on MOQ.org for
> the benefit of those, like me, who snap up everything they can get their
> hands  on.
> Look how that has changed. Why has it changed in this instance?
>
> Glenn:
> In early January, the news page at robertpirsig.org
> promised  to put up the transcript of the Baggini
> interview "within the week", and  Baggini's main
> article noted that the transcript would take up
> residence  there as well. January ended with no
> transcript being posted and the news  page for
> February, which came out before January ended, no
> longer included  the teaser. By Feb 3, the
> MOQSummary.html page appeared on robertpirsig.org.  It
> consisted of excerpts taken from the interview solely
> from Pirsig's  side of the discussion. At the time, I
> believe this page made mention of TPM  and Baggini in
> the introductory remarks, but these were removed at
> some  later time.
>
> Mark 5-11-06: If these events are correct it would appear there may  have
> been a programme of concealment.
>
> Glenn:
> Ian, who was helping to mediate a discussion with Ant
> at the  time, reported that posting the transcript was
> not a high priority item with  Ant and that he had
> plenty of other more pressing things to do.
>
>
> Mark 5-11-06: Anthony's immediate response to my question was to provide a
> link to the material required. No concealment there.
> Anthony's reasons for not placing this material on robertpirsig.org, which
> was my original question, are questionable.
> If Anthony was busy, all he had to do was include the article provided  by
> Julian: Anthony stated on the 1-11-06, '...the MOQ Summary... ...did take
> considerable time to prepare...' so any suggestion that he, '...had  plenty of
> other more pressing things to do...,' rather than place the article as  provided
> by Baggini on robertpirsig.org, is daft. That's a bit like saying,  'I haven't
> got time to buy a cake, so i shall bake one instead.'
>
>
> Glenn:
> I hope this clears some things up. You are welcome to
> post  this if you'd like.
> Glenn
>
>
> Mark 5-11-06: Thanks. You've provided some interesting information.
>
> Love,
> Mark
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