[MD] High horse of the metaphysical plain

[Heather Perella]

     [Ron]
I certainly have to say  I have difficulty
understanding the method here
sometimes.

     What method are you trying to understand?

     [Ron]
I'm re-reading Lila and I have to tend to agree with
Pirsig, Natives do not relate well, all this does seem
pretty silly to me .. like a lot of mental
masturbation.

     
     Do you mean ego letting?  Or do you mean
spreading of ideas that really don't go anywhere of
practical use, meaning that we're just chatting
thinking we might actually somewhere with this chat
for the rest of society?  What Case has said about
'shit happens', is not a new concept, a flash of
insight that nobody has discussed before.  'Shit
happens' is trying to state what dq is, which is
undefined.  Case is having difficulty thinking that
the Way is undefined and unnamed, thus, better than
quality.  Yet, the Dao is a name, right?  The Way is a
word, right?  Quality is a word, a name, right?  Yet,
what do they mean?  Case is not saying anything new. 
The Dao is a name, but the Dao not named is the real
Dao, and yet, while your rereading Lila, you'll find
at the end of Lila, "...the ultimate Quality isn't a
noun or an adjective or anything else definable..." 
Yeap, nothing new.

     [Ron]
I subscribed to have questions I have answered or
explored in a hope of furthering my understanding or
looking at them from a differing perspective. People
tend to romantasize native americans and I never get a
straight answer from anyone. we're not more special
than anyone else nor are we some Nobel savage, some
holistic insight "in touch". look, it all boils down
to "respect"  a dimishing comodity, it's no mystery. 

     
     Who said native americans are special?  Your not
full-blooded native american, and yet, your saying
"we're not more special than anyone else".  That
holistic insight 'in touch' stuff comes from the
woods.  Marsha says it has to do with Buddhism, and
I'm sure as Dogen said, she will say 'Kill Buddha'. 
(maybe that was Dogen, but who said it doesn't matter
which is the point)  Case says it's the Dao.  I talk
of the woods - whippdy doooo.  
     Your just human, as everybody else here.  And
that Nobel savage 'thing'.  Hey, I'd rather live a
simple life, and have the time to be with my family,
which I get now since my schedule changed.  It would
be nice to have smaller populations and woodsy
lifestyles with others.  This isn't romanticizing this
is dreaming and real evidence from the aboriginals
from Australia and others from around the globe.  Did
they die, fight each other, and all that terrible
stuff?  Yeah, and so do we.  I like sitting by a fire,
walking in the woods, meditating, and fishing.  These
are just some of the dreams and actions that keep my
gumption from getting trapped.  So, these stay alive
for me.  These events live.  Anytime I come up with
another way to incorporate into what I call woodsy
lifestyle, while keeping this computer, I go with
it... anyways.
     By the way, respect is a concept for those that
like to fight and make sure others stay out of ones
way.  At least, that's what the aggressive girls I
work with make use of that word.  I'd rather like life
to walk the quietness... and that doesn't say anything
to anybody, just open-ended as the sky.


     [Ron]
One of the things that angered me was how Pirsig
treated Lila when she was showing him the "jungle
queen" he may as well have crumpled up That picture
and thrown it overboard and said what do you know you
dumb slut,he had a perception of her of being a whore,
which somehow devalued her as a human being I think
it's not allways about proving a point.  It's about
becoming a human being,


     
     The MoQ.org has this atmosphere that makes people
at one time or another believe that many are just
trying to prove a point, and who cares what you or I
or others are saying.  Discussion doesn't always
happen.  I keep writing just to say something.  People
don't chat about bears here, and yet, I say bears and
maple trees.  It's just that quiet point that I'm
saying, which is stream full of rounded pebbles.

     [Ron]
We are all buying into an illusion of one kind or
another what makes yours better? Opinion?



     You seem to be making a point here, and directing
towards something happening on the MoQ.org.  This
happens as I've said at one point or another here. 
We've had these ego conversations before.


     [Ron]
I think a few of you need to get down off your
metaphysical high horses and check out whats going on
under your own feet. You're missing an awful lot. 


     Yeah, if I let myself perceive this, I see it,
and maybe it's not a matter of me letting myself
perceive this or not.  Maybe I ignore it.  Maybe I
like what some have to say, and not what others have
to say.  Some people get so heated, they can't stand
it when somebody says something that differs so much
from them, such as Stella's recent rant that she will
not be a part of this discussion group as long as
Platt is here.  That's silly.  If she really wanted to
discuss, then she'd find a way, right?  Find a way...
Hmmmm, find a WAY... a QUALITY... a DAO... a path in
the woods... anyways.
     You know what I do most of the time when I see
Platt's posts.  I erase them and don't read them. 
Sorry Platt.  But hey, I write in and oh, 85% of the
time, probably much more than that, I don't get a
response.  So, I'm just getting something off of my
chest in an arena where I can throw something out
there, like fishing and chat, read what others have to
say, and keep shaping my perspective.  Perspective
doesn't have to be shaped here by people chatting back
with you.  Perspective can be shaped by reflecting
upon your perspective, trying to type it the best way
you see it, and then at times I find something
interesting that changes my perspective by what others
have to say.  I don't have a group of people locally
that I can chat to like this, so, I chat here.  No big
deal.


     [Ron]
Case said the smartest thing all week, it is all a
pile of shit, Dynamic
shit.The static shit is in your head. Nothing in
nature is static only
your perception of it.

     Naaa, I'd say perception is dynamic too, if
nature is dynamic.  Static is what sticks, like when I
say tree.  You can define that word tree and notice a
tree somewhere, get a form visualized by noticed tree,
right?  Dynamic, for instance (and there are many
instances) is when I say the tree sings when the wind
blows.  That might have a meaning that goes on and on.
 A meaning that isn't sticking and some will have
difficulty with that one.  A meaning that is
undefined, unless, I allow myself to know what I'm
saying, even if I'm not using the same words somebody
else might us to describe the sound made when the wind
touches the autumn leaves on a tree.  Sometimes, to
me, it's a sound, sometimes it's a song, sometimes a
tree, leaves, and wind can't even be reached by poets,
and so that something about a tree, leaves and wind
shimmers and hides from the sun as the clouds pass on
by. 

this tiny cloud hidden by a tiny leaf,
SA



 
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