[MD] High horse of the metaphysical plain

Tue Nov 7 10:26:07 PST 2006

Hi Ron/SA

yes shit happens, and so has everything else,
the cosmos is a happening, and as a whole it is quite
something, despite the horrors that it also includes.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Heather Perella" <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] High horse of the metaphysical plain

>
>     [Ron]
> I certainly have to say  I have difficulty
> understanding the method here
> sometimes.
>
>     What method are you trying to understand?
>
>     [Ron]
> I'm re-reading Lila and I have to tend to agree with
> Pirsig, Natives do not relate well, all this does seem
> pretty silly to me .. like a lot of mental
> masturbation.
>
>
>     Do you mean ego letting?  Or do you mean
> spreading of ideas that really don't go anywhere of
> practical use, meaning that we're just chatting
> thinking we might actually somewhere with this chat
> for the rest of society?  What Case has said about
> 'shit happens', is not a new concept, a flash of
> insight that nobody has discussed before.  'Shit
> happens' is trying to state what dq is, which is
> undefined.  Case is having difficulty thinking that
> the Way is undefined and unnamed, thus, better than
> quality.  Yet, the Dao is a name, right?  The Way is a
> word, right?  Quality is a word, a name, right?  Yet,
> what do they mean?  Case is not saying anything new.
> The Dao is a name, but the Dao not named is the real
> Dao, and yet, while your rereading Lila, you'll find
> at the end of Lila, "...the ultimate Quality isn't a
> noun or an adjective or anything else definable..."
> Yeap, nothing new.
>
>     [Ron]
> I subscribed to have questions I have answered or
> explored in a hope of furthering my understanding or
> looking at them from a differing perspective. People
> tend to romantasize native americans and I never get a
> straight answer from anyone. we're not more special
> than anyone else nor are we some Nobel savage, some
> holistic insight "in touch". look, it all boils down
> to "respect"  a dimishing comodity, it's no mystery.
>
>
>     Who said native americans are special?  Your not
> full-blooded native american, and yet, your saying
> "we're not more special than anyone else".  That
> holistic insight 'in touch' stuff comes from the
> woods.  Marsha says it has to do with Buddhism, and
> I'm sure as Dogen said, she will say 'Kill Buddha'.
> (maybe that was Dogen, but who said it doesn't matter
> which is the point)  Case says it's the Dao.  I talk
> of the woods - whippdy doooo.
>     Your just human, as everybody else here.  And
> that Nobel savage 'thing'.  Hey, I'd rather live a
> simple life, and have the time to be with my family,
> which I get now since my schedule changed.  It would
> be nice to have smaller populations and woodsy
> lifestyles with others.  This isn't romanticizing this
> is dreaming and real evidence from the aboriginals
> from Australia and others from around the globe.  Did
> they die, fight each other, and all that terrible
> stuff?  Yeah, and so do we.  I like sitting by a fire,
> walking in the woods, meditating, and fishing.  These
> are just some of the dreams and actions that keep my
> gumption from getting trapped.  So, these stay alive
> for me.  These events live.  Anytime I come up with
> another way to incorporate into what I call woodsy
> lifestyle, while keeping this computer, I go with
> it... anyways.
>     By the way, respect is a concept for those that
> like to fight and make sure others stay out of ones
> way.  At least, that's what the aggressive girls I
> work with make use of that word.  I'd rather like life
> to walk the quietness... and that doesn't say anything
> to anybody, just open-ended as the sky.
>
>
>     [Ron]
> One of the things that angered me was how Pirsig
> treated Lila when she was showing him the "jungle
> queen" he may as well have crumpled up That picture
> and thrown it overboard and said what do you know you
> dumb slut,he had a perception of her of being a whore,
> which somehow devalued her as a human being I think
> it's not allways about proving a point.  It's about
> becoming a human being,
>
>
>
>     The MoQ.org has this atmosphere that makes people
> at one time or another believe that many are just
> trying to prove a point, and who cares what you or I
> or others are saying.  Discussion doesn't always
> happen.  I keep writing just to say something.  People
> don't chat about bears here, and yet, I say bears and
> maple trees.  It's just that quiet point that I'm
> saying, which is stream full of rounded pebbles.
>
>     [Ron]
> We are all buying into an illusion of one kind or
> another what makes yours better? Opinion?
>
>
>
>     You seem to be making a point here, and directing
> towards something happening on the MoQ.org.  This
> happens as I've said at one point or another here.
> We've had these ego conversations before.
>
>
>     [Ron]
> I think a few of you need to get down off your
> metaphysical high horses and check out whats going on
> under your own feet. You're missing an awful lot.
>
>
>     Yeah, if I let myself perceive this, I see it,
> and maybe it's not a matter of me letting myself
> perceive this or not.  Maybe I ignore it.  Maybe I
> like what some have to say, and not what others have
> to say.  Some people get so heated, they can't stand
> it when somebody says something that differs so much
> from them, such as Stella's recent rant that she will
> not be a part of this discussion group as long as
> Platt is here.  That's silly.  If she really wanted to
> discuss, then she'd find a way, right?  Find a way...
> Hmmmm, find a WAY... a QUALITY... a DAO... a path in
> the woods... anyways.
>     You know what I do most of the time when I see
> Platt's posts.  I erase them and don't read them.
> Sorry Platt.  But hey, I write in and oh, 85% of the
> time, probably much more than that, I don't get a
> response.  So, I'm just getting something off of my
> chest in an arena where I can throw something out
> there, like fishing and chat, read what others have to
> say, and keep shaping my perspective.  Perspective
> doesn't have to be shaped here by people chatting back
> with you.  Perspective can be shaped by reflecting
> upon your perspective, trying to type it the best way
> you see it, and then at times I find something
> interesting that changes my perspective by what others
> have to say.  I don't have a group of people locally
> that I can chat to like this, so, I chat here.  No big
> deal.
>
>
>     [Ron]
> Case said the smartest thing all week, it is all a
> pile of shit, Dynamic
> shit.The static shit is in your head. Nothing in
> nature is static only
> your perception of it.
>
>     Naaa, I'd say perception is dynamic too, if
> nature is dynamic.  Static is what sticks, like when I
> say tree.  You can define that word tree and notice a
> tree somewhere, get a form visualized by noticed tree,
> right?  Dynamic, for instance (and there are many
> instances) is when I say the tree sings when the wind
> blows.  That might have a meaning that goes on and on.
> A meaning that isn't sticking and some will have
> difficulty with that one.  A meaning that is
> undefined, unless, I allow myself to know what I'm
> saying, even if I'm not using the same words somebody
> else might us to describe the sound made when the wind
> touches the autumn leaves on a tree.  Sometimes, to
> me, it's a sound, sometimes it's a song, sometimes a
> tree, leaves, and wind can't even be reached by poets,
> and so that something about a tree, leaves and wind
> shimmers and hides from the sun as the clouds pass on
> by.
>
> this tiny cloud hidden by a tiny leaf,
> SA
>
>
>
>
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