[MD] vegetarianism

[Heather Perella]

Damian and Robbie,

     Damian is probably closer to an accurate portray
of what makes a good diet.  Robbie, the Inuit diet was
and might still be 95% or so a meat diet.  Not much in
the way of plants that far north.  Then there's that
whole Paleo-diet idea.  Lots of meat, you know, atkins
is one of them.  I do know research on the Inuit diet
of mainly seal and whale showed less heart disease
related illnesses.  Fat, I believe it's called mutuk,
from the seal, prevents scurvy.  As to the age of
these people, life-spans, they had grandparents just
as Europeans, Asians, and Near-East Civilizations. 
The Grandparents Revolution happened way back in the
Paleolithic, maybe farther back, but this time period
is evidenced and thus, the name.  As to the research
done on these diets, this is on-going.  These are just
dabs as to how meat diets have been healthy, and then
there's the plant-eaters.  They live healthy as well. 
This is what I know on the subject, which is not much,
but maybe this will help.

SA    


> Damian Said:
>   Please drop the 'vegetarianism is healthier' or
> 'meat eating is 
> healthier'
> debate.  Both are wrong: you can eat unhealthily
> whether or not you eat
> meat.
>   This is true, But
>   Robbie says, vegetarian eating of a balanced diet
> is far healthier, than meat eater carnivore humans,
> who include meat. Meat products contain Artery
> clogging Cholesterol. Also, our liver nornally
> manufactures its own Cholesterol.   Americans suffer
> obesity because they don't get much exercise and
> commonly eat diets filled with empty calories, but
> little nutrition (in processed foods). Ever heard of
> the Seventh day Adventist religion?  These folks are
> commonly vegans as a spiritual excercise or some
> other reason i don't understand.  
>    
>   But studies show that these folks of both genders
> live 5 to 7 years longer on the average, than the
> rest of the American population.  Vegetarian life
> styles are also far less demanding on the ecology of
> the planet.
>    
>   Vegetarians, if not careful suffer B12 , and Iron
> deficiencies, and Calcium deficiency too if they
> also exclude milk and dairy, and eggs from their
> normal eating habits. Hope this helps shed more
> light on the subject.
>    
>   If anyone knows someone, who is an expert
> nutritionist, or related fields they would easily
> verify all of the facts presented above.
>    
>   Robbie
> 
> 
> Damian Gerow <dgerow at afflictions.org> wrote:
>   I'm going to ignore the 'what we really are'
> debate here.
> 
> Thus spake Jos Laycock (jos5 at hotmail.co.uk)
> [08/11/06 03:28]:
> : S'not correct, depends on how much you think
> before you eat.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> : I see it that vegitarianism is a suppression of
> biological urges by a 
> : cultural morality,
> 
> You're generalizing.
> 
> I have no biological urges to eat meat. In fact,
> eating meat makes me want
> to vomit. Especially when I think about what I'm
> eating. And though I may
> be a minority, I'm definitely not alone in this.
> 
> : There's nothing wrong with vegitarianism provided
> that the higher morality 
> : doesn't threten to pull the rug out from under its
> own feet. 1st question 
> : then is: Can a diet that excludes meat genuinely
> sustain nutrient intake in 
> : a way that is comparable to one that doesn't? and
> secondly: What if one 
> 
> I haven't had meat for about a decade. I take no
> suppliments. Yet I've had
> no serious health problems in those ten years: my
> iron content is fine, I
> get more than enough protein, and I have zero
> problems with B5 (the Big
> Three problems that face vegetarians).
> 
> In fact, I tend to /not/ come down with whatever
> seasonal flu/cold bug that
> is going around. I haven't actually been sick in
> years.
> 
> Please drop the 'vegetarianism is healthier' or
> 'meat eating is healthier'
> debate. Both are wrong: you can eat unhealthily
> whether or not you eat
> meat.
> 
> : becomes so crazed with meat withdrawal that all
> useful intellectual thought 
> : becomes impossible?
> 
> Wow, uh... I don't even know how to respond to that
> question. If someone
> becomes uncapable of intellectual thought due to a
> desire to eat meat, then
> that person should probably be eating meat.
> 
> : Have you seen a vegitarian in the prezence of
> frying bacon?
> 
> If a vegetarian's mouth waters in the presence of
> frying bacon, I'd
> postulate that they're not really a vegetarian at
> all. Personally, though I
> enjoy the smell of frying bacon, the thought of
> eating it disgusts me.
> 
> My personal feelings: there are meat eaters, and
> there are non-meat eaters.
> You can eat meat ethically, and you can avoid meat
> ethically. Personally,
> I'm not a meat eater, but that's my decision for
> myself, and not for you.
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