[MD] Essentialism and the MOQ

[LARAMIE LOEWEN]

Hello Joe,

Good points.  

Do any of the seven orders proposed by Gurdjieff go beyond Pirsig's?

Cheers,
Laramie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph Maurer<mailto:jhmau at sbcglobal.net> 
  To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org<mailto:moq_discuss at moqtalk.org> 
  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [MD] Essentialism and the MOQ


  On Saturday 18 November 2006 10:26 AM Ham writes to Platt:

  >snip<

  According to Pirsig, existence is everything, and reality is simply a
  melding of all differences into Quality. We don't experience things this
  way, but we can pretend that differences don't exist. We can also delude
  ourselves into thinking that value is morality. We can be Pollyannas and
  view the world as a beautiful moral order. This isn't philosophy, it's
  poetic fancy. There is no metaphysical or scientific theory to support such
  a view.


  Hi Ham, Platt and All,

  Ham, when you state: "According to Pirsig, existence is everything, and 
  reality is simply a melding of all differences into Quality." you have 
  oversimplified Pirsig's view of evolution as 'melding'. IMO for Pirsig to 
  propose evolution as moral he is proposing dimensions in existence rather 
  than 'melding'. Value becomes morality as the analogue to a necessary order 
  in existence.  Disorder is a lack of value.

  IMO there are 7 orders of existence. The Octave of sound, do, re, mi, fa, 
  sol, la, ti is an example of this order. The color spectrum is another 
  example. The beauty of music, painting, architecture is in the relationships 
  in this order in different mediums-- art. The law of seven is proposed in 
  the esoteric literature of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Nicoll, Rodney Collins, as 
  well as a law of three for each manifestation.  Pirsig sees four orders of 
  existence for morality.

  Joe