[MD] scatological economics

[Ant McWatt]

"Mary Poppins" concluded November 18th:

"These conclude my happy thoughts for today. What you folks really need is 
to
recruit a few more Buddhists into this discussion group."


Ant McWatt comments:

Robbie,

I couldn't agree more.  There was also some interesting points elsewhere in 
your post that I certainly wasn't aware of.

Thanks again,

Anthony.


Robert Robinson quoted Gavin Gee-Clough November 18th:

>Gav says:
>   war is very very good for the economy. with war
>billions are made on producing and using weapons. then
>after the devastation other corporations make billions
>from rebuilding. war is very sensible in a capitalist
>economy.
>
>illness is very good too. cancer, heart disease,
>depression etc make trillions for the medical and
>pharmaceutical industries. better to cultivate then
>treat (porrly) disease, rather than prevent it. where'
>s the dough in prevention?
>
>   .... this was a high quality post, gav  everyone should view it in its 
>entire form
>
>
>   Rarely have I seen such a dead bang right-on definition of the American 
>version of capitalism.
>
>   Gav, you may have missed a point or two:
>
>   How about the people that like to pound their chest about our fabled 
>"constitutional rights".  The version that we read about in school largely 
>are applied to only the Upper class, those who can afford to pay one or 
>more attorneys a retainer plus $200 to $300 per hour to enforce these 
>rights in a court of law against the superior power and resources of the 
>state.
>
>   The disappearing middle class has no hope of competing in this arena. 
>For most of the population constitutional rights don't exist and everyone 
>knows it. Lots of people are incarcerated in California.  Per Capita... the 
>prison census may be almost tops among the 50 states. Come to California 
>enjoy the polluted beaches (after a rainstorm) and tour our marvelous 
>system of prisons!!
>
>   Few people are aware of the 5 country NSA (no such agency) program 
>popularly known as Esssshelon...purposely misspelled. If you don't know the 
>program or the proper spelling of what I refer to, don't bother your pretty 
>brains with the subject. But a quick look at the wikipedia on these two 
>subjects would curl anyones hair, who thinks we live in a free society. And 
>be a good beginning for ones own personal grounding in "reality".
>
>   Remember... you are guilty, unless you can prove yourself innocent in an 
>IRS audit... Which turns the normal legal standard upside down. Don't worry 
>the government does not want to put you in jail, they only want to absorb 
>all your worldly assets.  Believe me, they have the power to do it. No 
>problem Has the Patriot Act as amended and re-enacted ever been seriously 
>discussed by this group?
>
>   Even Rome didn't last forever. I pity the poor army that tries to beat 
>us.  But the new formula for war we see unfolding in Iraq is one of the 
>worlds answers to the phenomenon known as America.
>
>   Economists refer to an idea (the missing link), which seems to be 
>largely ignored by our society. Economic externalities, which are not 
>appreciated and factored into our economic "valuation decisions" is the one 
>key missing link.  What does it mean??
>
>   It helps one deeply understand why this system is so dangerous in a very 
>subtle way. Our system is not compatible with the planets healthy ecology 
>and a sustainable natural environment.  Hence, I believe mother nature will 
>put an end to our system sometime early in this century.  Remember, the 
>Islamic world did not steer Katrina into New Orleans.  People don't realize 
>the power of floods, drought, earthquakes, et al. What ever did happen to 
>the powerful USSR??
>   The end game could be much more rapid than most would believe.
>
>   These conclude my happy thoughts for today. What you folks really need 
>is to recruit a few more Buddhists into this discussion group.
>
>   So strap on your seat-belt, gav, it should be a very interesting ride.
>
>   Best,
>   Mary Poppins  (Robbie)
>
>
>gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>   war is very very good for the economy. with war
>billions are made on producing and using weapons. then
>after the devastation other corporations make billions
>from rebuilding. war is very sensible in a capitalist
>economy.
>
>illness is very good too. cancer, heart disease,
>depression etc make trillions for the medical and
>pharmaceutical industries. better to cultivate then
>treat (porrly) disease, rather than prevent it. where'
>s the dough in prevention?
>
>built in obsolence is great too. why build something
>to last when you build it to break down and sell
>another, and another, and another. crap stuff is great
>for the capitalist economy.
>
>advertising, especially to kids, is great in a
>capitalist economy. their vulnerable minds lap up
>directives to eat shit food, buy this or that piece of
>crap...and usually the parents accede to their demands
>for shit cos they can't be bothered arguing. and of
>course: 'give me the child until he is 7 and i will
>show you the man'. hey worked pretty well for
>catholicism.
>
>what's good for the economy is infinite growth. more
>resources, more products, more services, more wars,
>more cancer, more depression, more jails (cheap
>labour!), more sweatshops (ditto).....don't
>stop....paradise is around the corner.
>
>we live in a society that is held to ransom by an
>abstraction - the economy - that assigns a monetary
>value to everything and sees this AS THE ONLY VALUE.
>
>this is not very MOQ. monetary value is one social
>subset of value proper. it is a subsidiary value to
>intellectual values of logic, fairness, foresight,
>democracy etc. and trumping all - quality. shit is
>shit full stop. ever watch ads: they advertise shit.
>that's why it has to be advertised. otherwise people
>won't buy it. simply: corporate capitalism produces
>(through its taylorist/fordist mass production
>paradigm) shit. shit that it has to convince us to
>buy, eat, live in etc.
>
>what am i advocating here? well not a socialist
>economy, that's for sure. the socialist economies we
>have seen last century are really just state
>capitalism. they are inferior in some ways to
>corporate capitalism; in someways they are superior.
>but they both suck from an objective intellectual
>viewpoint. they both produce shit by and large.
>
>no. i think it's about QUALITY(funny that). do we get
>quality from making things as quickly and cheaply as
>possible? do we? no we don't. this is obvious.
>
>our economy is based on expediency. time is money.
>time is money time is money. where do you SPEND your
>time? let's accelerate towards oblivion.
>
>our economy is based on greed and fear. the stock
>market runs on these primal instincts. nothing
>sophisticated here. nothing special. nothing very
>evolved here. greed and fear: hell of a way to run a
>world.
>
>so what's the answer gav...well fortunately a bloke
>prepared one earlier for me: quality. if it ain't
>quality fuck it off. don't buy shit. don't eat shit.
>don't put shit on your body. quality and shit are
>opposites, except for in the garden!
>


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