[MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday

[Case]

I'm sorry, I read the Times article I must have missed the disturbing part.
While the article offers up sound bites from Dawkins and Weinberg. The Tyson
bit covered the issue pretty well. 

The history of science is the history of religion and philosophy taking an
ass whipping. Belief in the supernatural or in absolutely hypothetical
abstract concepts of being-nothing-essential-platonic forms and house of
cards rationalism, these are recreational sports thoughtful people tinker
with while the big boys figure out what is going on. 

Show me a theological idea that has confronted science head on and remains
anything but an interesting historical oddity. What's left is just waiting
its turn.

Case



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ahh, but what happens when science becomes a
religion....

dawkins and weinberg are hardly helping matters,
unless their avowed nihilism is taken as a stepping
stone rather than the destination that they take it to
be (their best years are def behind them).

of course we need to be fair: science is still
generally swimming around in SOM....it is up to
philosophy to help them get out of the kiddie pool.
 

--- Robert Robinson <bill_robbie at yahoo.com> wrote:

> NY Times weekly Tuesday's Science Section today had
> a by "George Johnson" article devoted to the
> Science/ Religion debate that reminds one of
> discussions that appear in this group periodically. 
>    
>   The article quoted Dr. Steve Weinberg, "the more
> the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also
> seems pointless", then he goes further: "Anything
> that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of
> religion should be done and may in the end be our
> greatest contribution to civilization."
>    
>   Dr. Rich Dawkins (Oxford Evolutionary biologist)
> and conferee at the reported on event is author of
> the National best seller book "The God Delusion."
>    
>   The article makes the point that when scientists
> periodically convert from experimentation, problem
> solving, fact and evidence gathering to the God
> justification for natural phenomena than their most
> productive life as a creative cutting edge scientist
> are usually about over.
>    
>   The article begins with another Steve
> Weinberg...Nobel Laureate, physics quotation, "The
> world need to wake up from its long nightmare of
> religious belief". Moreover, Dawkins believes
> religious education is "brain-washing" and "Child
> abuse."
>    
>   One speaker after another lined up to present the
> general message challenging scientists to be less
> timid about challenging unverifiable teachings about
> nature based only on scripture and belief. Science's
> core being: intellectual honesty, said Sam Harris, a
> doctoral student in Neuroscience and the author of
> "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future
> of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
>    
>   Another profound moment was Nobelist, chemistry by
> Sir Harold Krot's: call for  the John Templeton
> Foundation to give its next prize for "progress in
> spiritual discoveries" to an atheist.  I myself
> would wish to nominate the 14th Dalia Lama for this
> prize.
>    
>   Does anything in this post contain information
> that might conflict with our societies social immune
> system? If so you might try writing a letter to the
> Editor of the Time's science page very soon!.
>   An unedited video of the reported on proceedings
> will be posted on the web at tsntv.org
>    
>   If this subject interests anyone they should
> examine the source: page D1 of Nov. 21, 2006 of the
> N. Y. Times...the newspaper.
>    
>   "Mary Poppins" Robbie
> 
> craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>   [gav]
> > the labour of the workers generates the wealth of
> the 'owner' class. 
> 
> 
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