[MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday

[David M]

Hi Case

I too love science but you're falling into scientism
here. I would recommend Simon Critchley's 'Continental
Philosophy' to see the limits of scientism, exactly the limits
MOQ describes, -it is a short cheap book and you'll thank me.

Read it or you'll remain part of the problem. This is a door I am opening,
only you can walk through it. Challenge your suppositions.

Regards
David M


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
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Subject: Re: [MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday


> I'm sorry, I read the Times article I must have missed the disturbing 
> part.
> While the article offers up sound bites from Dawkins and Weinberg. The 
> Tyson
> bit covered the issue pretty well.
>
> The history of science is the history of religion and philosophy taking an
> ass whipping. Belief in the supernatural or in absolutely hypothetical
> abstract concepts of being-nothing-essential-platonic forms and house of
> cards rationalism, these are recreational sports thoughtful people tinker
> with while the big boys figure out what is going on.
>
> Show me a theological idea that has confronted science head on and remains
> anything but an interesting historical oddity. What's left is just waiting
> its turn.
>
> Case
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of gav
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:45 PM
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>
> ahh, but what happens when science becomes a
> religion....
>
> dawkins and weinberg are hardly helping matters,
> unless their avowed nihilism is taken as a stepping
> stone rather than the destination that they take it to
> be (their best years are def behind them).
>
> of course we need to be fair: science is still
> generally swimming around in SOM....it is up to
> philosophy to help them get out of the kiddie pool.
>
>
> --- Robert Robinson <bill_robbie at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> NY Times weekly Tuesday's Science Section today had
>> a by "George Johnson" article devoted to the
>> Science/ Religion debate that reminds one of
>> discussions that appear in this group periodically.
>>
>>   The article quoted Dr. Steve Weinberg, "the more
>> the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also
>> seems pointless", then he goes further: "Anything
>> that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of
>> religion should be done and may in the end be our
>> greatest contribution to civilization."
>>
>>   Dr. Rich Dawkins (Oxford Evolutionary biologist)
>> and conferee at the reported on event is author of
>> the National best seller book "The God Delusion."
>>
>>   The article makes the point that when scientists
>> periodically convert from experimentation, problem
>> solving, fact and evidence gathering to the God
>> justification for natural phenomena than their most
>> productive life as a creative cutting edge scientist
>> are usually about over.
>>
>>   The article begins with another Steve
>> Weinberg...Nobel Laureate, physics quotation, "The
>> world need to wake up from its long nightmare of
>> religious belief". Moreover, Dawkins believes
>> religious education is "brain-washing" and "Child
>> abuse."
>>
>>   One speaker after another lined up to present the
>> general message challenging scientists to be less
>> timid about challenging unverifiable teachings about
>> nature based only on scripture and belief. Science's
>> core being: intellectual honesty, said Sam Harris, a
>> doctoral student in Neuroscience and the author of
>> "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future
>> of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
>>
>>   Another profound moment was Nobelist, chemistry by
>> Sir Harold Krot's: call for  the John Templeton
>> Foundation to give its next prize for "progress in
>> spiritual discoveries" to an atheist.  I myself
>> would wish to nominate the 14th Dalia Lama for this
>> prize.
>>
>>   Does anything in this post contain information
>> that might conflict with our societies social immune
>> system? If so you might try writing a letter to the
>> Editor of the Time's science page very soon!.
>>   An unedited video of the reported on proceedings
>> will be posted on the web at tsntv.org
>>
>>   If this subject interests anyone they should
>> examine the source: page D1 of Nov. 21, 2006 of the
>> N. Y. Times...the newspaper.
>>
>>   "Mary Poppins" Robbie
>>
>> craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>>   [gav]
>> > the labour of the workers generates the wealth of
>> the 'owner' class.
>>
>>
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