[MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday

[David M]

Hi Rob

Problem is religion has more to do with values than knowledge,
so until SOM science starts dealing with values it's going to leave
people wanting, and in fact needing, religions.

But there is a better MOQ option. MOQers should want to put
both science and religion in their proper place. They are both
poorly thought out from an MOQ perspective. Takea look
as Nick Maxwell's 'from knowledge to wisdom' for a similar
view.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Robinson" <bill_robbie at yahoo.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Debate on Science_ReligionToday


> NY Times weekly Tuesday's Science Section today had a by "George Johnson" 
> article devoted to the Science/ Religion debate that reminds one of 
> discussions that appear in this group periodically.
>
>  The article quoted Dr. Steve Weinberg, "the more the universe seems 
> comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless", then he goes further: 
> "Anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should 
> be done and may in the end be our greatest contribution to civilization."
>
>  Dr. Rich Dawkins (Oxford Evolutionary biologist) and conferee at the 
> reported on event is author of the National best seller book "The God 
> Delusion."
>
>  The article makes the point that when scientists periodically convert 
> from experimentation, problem solving, fact and evidence gathering to the 
> God justification for natural phenomena than their most productive life as 
> a creative cutting edge scientist are usually about over.
>
>  The article begins with another Steve Weinberg...Nobel Laureate, physics 
> quotation, "The world need to wake up from its long nightmare of religious 
> belief". Moreover, Dawkins believes religious education is "brain-washing" 
> and "Child abuse."
>
>  One speaker after another lined up to present the general message 
> challenging scientists to be less timid about challenging unverifiable 
> teachings about nature based only on scripture and belief. Science's core 
> being: intellectual honesty, said Sam Harris, a doctoral student in 
> Neuroscience and the author of "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the 
> Future of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
>
>  Another profound moment was Nobelist, chemistry by Sir Harold Krot's: 
> call for  the John Templeton Foundation to give its next prize for 
> "progress in spiritual discoveries" to an atheist.  I myself would wish to 
> nominate the 14th Dalia Lama for this prize.
>
>  Does anything in this post contain information that might conflict with 
> our societies social immune system? If so you might try writing a letter 
> to the Editor of the Time's science page very soon!.
>  An unedited video of the reported on proceedings will be posted on the 
> web at tsntv.org
>
>  If this subject interests anyone they should examine the source: page D1 
> of Nov. 21, 2006 of the N. Y. Times...the newspaper.
>
>  "Mary Poppins" Robbie
>
> craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>  [gav]
>> the labour of the workers generates the wealth of the 'owner' class.
>
>
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