[MD] economic pragmatism

[Heather Perella]

     I just thought I'd share with you David M. that
your posts are very interesting and come from very
unique angles that help provide other ways in
approaching discussions.  Not just this one, but other
posts as well.  You bring up very good points,
questions, and comments.  That's all.

Thanks,
SA

     [David M. to Platt]
> Did human beings have to invent money before they
> could eat? No.
> Therefore there is no intellectual reason why we
> could not find a way
> to continue eating without money. No reason for
> farmers not to share
> their food when we share with them our other
> products and services.
> 
> We=all non farmers, e.g cooks, drivers, singers,
> etc, etc, etc
> 
> And let's say utopia is imagining new possibilities
> and not pipe dreams,
> and let's say pipe dreams are things we have tried
> but found to be 
> impossible
> and let's remember, we once thought flying was
> impossible because we
> hadn't even invented the wheel.
> 
> David M
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <pholden at davtv.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] economic pragmatism
> 
> 
> > Quoting Squonkonguitar at aol.com:
> >
> >> Mark 21-11-06: Hello Platt,
> >> I don't have a problem with self-reliance but i
> don't feel this has to
> >> equate to do or die.
> >> In Welcome, to use the name i've adopted for our
> utopia, food is free, so 
> >> no
> >> one has to worry about starving under usual
> circumstances. And we've 
> >> already
> >> advocated educational awareness of the importance
> of food provision and 
> >> the
> >> social status of farmers in society.
> >> In other words, social conditioning places high
> value on Human  care.
> >> The quality force becomes less of a written rule
> and more of a Human
> >> imperative - but reinforced.
> >> The same goes for violence and disruption.
> >> Does this introduce a tension between
> self-reliance and society at all 
> >> Platt?
> >>
> >> Regarding enforcement beyong social conditioning:
> This requires  thought.
> >> I think a basic requirement is a limiting of
> freedom for those who go out 
> >> of
> >> their way to harm society.
> >
> > Hello Mark,
> > Your Utopia reminds me that old folk song, "Big
> Rock Candy Mountain" where 
> > the
> > "cops have wooden legs, the bulldogs all have
> rubber teeth and the hens 
> > lay
> > soft-boiled eggs."
> >
> > Take just your idea that "food is free." What
> makes you think farmers and 
> > fishermen
> > are going to work 18 hour days for "social
> status?"  And what's on a free 
> > menu?
> > Steak and lobster? If not, who decides who gets
> what? As for "Welcome" as 
> > the name
> > for your Utopia, I was reminded of that word over
> the entrance to Dachau. 
> > Scary.
> >
> > Sorry Mark. Try as you might, there ain't no free
> lunch -- trite but true.
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> >
> >
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