[MD] economic pragmatism

[David M]

Platt

Did human beings have to invent money before they could eat? No.
Therefore there is no intellectual reason why we could not find a way
to continue eating without money. No reason for farmers not to share
their food when we share with them our other products and services.

We=all non farmers, e.g cooks, drivers, singers, etc, etc, etc

And let's say utopia is imagining new possibilities and not pipe dreams,
and let's say pipe dreams are things we have tried but found to be 
impossible
and let's remember, we once thought flying was impossible because we
hadn't even invented the wheel.

David M

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From: <pholden at davtv.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] economic pragmatism


> Quoting Squonkonguitar at aol.com:
>
>> Mark 21-11-06: Hello Platt,
>> I don't have a problem with self-reliance but i don't feel this has to
>> equate to do or die.
>> In Welcome, to use the name i've adopted for our utopia, food is free, so 
>> no
>> one has to worry about starving under usual circumstances. And we've 
>> already
>> advocated educational awareness of the importance of food provision and 
>> the
>> social status of farmers in society.
>> In other words, social conditioning places high value on Human  care.
>> The quality force becomes less of a written rule and more of a Human
>> imperative - but reinforced.
>> The same goes for violence and disruption.
>> Does this introduce a tension between self-reliance and society at all 
>> Platt?
>>
>> Regarding enforcement beyong social conditioning: This requires  thought.
>> I think a basic requirement is a limiting of freedom for those who go out 
>> of
>> their way to harm society.
>
> Hello Mark,
> Your Utopia reminds me that old folk song, "Big Rock Candy Mountain" where 
> the
> "cops have wooden legs, the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens 
> lay
> soft-boiled eggs."
>
> Take just your idea that "food is free." What makes you think farmers and 
> fishermen
> are going to work 18 hour days for "social status?"  And what's on a free 
> menu?
> Steak and lobster? If not, who decides who gets what? As for "Welcome" as 
> the name
> for your Utopia, I was reminded of that word over the entrance to Dachau. 
> Scary.
>
> Sorry Mark. Try as you might, there ain't no free lunch -- trite but true.
>
> Platt
>
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