[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Micah]

Case,

You seem to trust your perception of the rut I'm in...how odd.

Micah


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[Micah]
You say "I know nothing about reality directly all I know is my definition
of it."

How do you know that? Since you have no direct knowledge of reality. What
are you basing your statement on?

[Case]
I am basing this on my experience and the residue it leaves behind in my
nervous system.

[Micah]
Since you can have no direct knowledge of reality, how can you know what it
isn't?

[Case]
I know reality through the network of my sensory nerve. I don't see a tree.
I experience photons reflected off of it and impacting my retina I am pretty
fortunate because our species have evolved senses that serve me pretty well.
I gather information in 1,2, and 3 dimensional and can process it in at
least 5. "I" am the sum total of all this information and the biological
processes the sustain it. Of all of the belief systems I have thought about
or experienced it works best for me and so I accept it as "controlled
folly". But you are right I do not know this in an absolute way. I think an
extreme skeptical demand for certainty is asking more from knowledge than it
can deliver.

[Micah]
Yes, you are using your senses to negate your senses, just like Kant and
just as contradictory.

[Case]
I think you are misrepresenting what I said but tell me more about how you
think Kant does this.


[Micah]
Either your senses are your direct contact to reality (they are) or they're
not. If they are not, you should not have any opinions on anything because
that would require the use of your senses, and you have admitted they not to
be trusted, therefore you are obviously babbling.

[Case]
You should look over my post to Ham about false dichotomies and Pascal'
Wager. I don't demand certainty from my opinions. I frankly abhor the idea.
I think unbending commitment to a conviction is pathological. Blind trust is
dangerous. I know what I think now. But I do things like listen to talk
radio and Christian apologetics and participate in MoQ discussions to avoid
getting stuck in the kind of rut you seem hellbent on spinning your wheels
in.

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