[MD] are theism and mysticism mutually exclusive notions?

[Heather Perella]

Case,


>      [Case said to Dan earlier]
> > In the first
> > lecture an astronomer was
> > talking about string theory and said that it is
> not
> > really science because
> > it has yet to produce a testable hypothesis. Now
> > that is strict materialism.

     [SA earlier] 
>      Case, string theory is all theory, includes a
> lot of math, last time I checked.  String theory is
> persuasive, but has little, if NO material, little
> or no experiment is capable of verifying it.  I know
if
> we want to observe strings it would take a particle
> accelerator the size of the solar system to come
> close, as for what human beings are able to make
> technologically.    
> 
> [Case]
> Yes,that was his point.

     I just didn't get why you said it was strict
materialism?  Sarcasm I guess.

     [Case earlier]
> > In the third lecture a theologian concluded that
> our attempts to understand
> > the world must begin with the Trinity. I wanted to
> > break all dmb on him.

     [SA earlier]
>   Khaled has mentioned this book before by Karen
> Armstrong called "The History of God".  The Trinity
> in the Greek or Eastern Christianity has been a way
of
> contemplation the presence and awe of G-d.  It is
> Western Christianity, if I remember correctly (yeah
> memory at times goes vague when philosophical or any
> notion doesn't become imbued in everyday life), that
> leaned the Trinity towards a more literal
> interpretation.
> 
> [Case]
> The Trinity has had a variety of interpretations.
> The one he was talking
> about comes from the theologian Karl Barth who says
> that the Trinity
> represents The Revealer, The Revealed and the
> Revelation. It sounds a bit
> like semiotics or one of those language theories to
> me.

     Sounds like instead of thinking about the
Trinity, now somebody is thinking about The Revealer,
The Revealed and the Revelation.  I don't see the
difference, it's the same routine some people are
caught in.  Come up with a way to describe G-d, and
then somebody later on comes up with another way to
describe how that first person described G-d thinking
it's fantastic and somehow the final word, the end
all, and everybody will finally get it, all further
explanations are not necessary... blah, blah, blah.

     [Case earlier]  
> > I guess what I am getting at is that even in the
> MoQ
> > we end up with this
> > tension between the world as objects and the world
> > as process. Or the world
> > is things and the world as ideas. If the MoQ is
> > seeking to resolve this
> > conflict, well to quote Bart Simpson, "Are we
> there
> > yet? Are we there yet?
> > Are we there yet?"


     [SA earlier]
>      Are there things?  Do these things do stuff
> (have
> process)?  Are there ideas?  Yes to all three,
> what's
> the problem?  This world is a blend, and allows for
> our view of these three.  Could this view change? 
> Sure, and isn't that what a blend, a world being
> dynamic does?  We'll never know it all, we human
> beings can't live it all.  I know I'm not a black
> hole, and yet, I'm sure a black hole has something
> to
> do with me.
>      By the way, when you quote Bart Simpson, "Are
> we
> there yet?"  A question, "What is quality?"  will
> give
> you the same answer, a dynamic answer, an answer
> that
> can be static and changing due to unfinished work.  
>      If this work was finished, then why are the
> leaves falling in autumn?  Winter is coming! 

 
> [Case]
> I guess it is not so much what is, but what we think
> about it, huh?

     Sure it is what we think about it, and what it
is, too.  I think the leaves are falling and winter is
coming.  What I think is also what it is.  I  also
feel autumn, and am very mindful of all the other
going-ons as winter approaches. 

     [Case] 
> I live in a land of eternal summer. There is
> constant swelter and we mark
> the turn of seasons in the ebb and flow of sweat
> stains.

     Do you have rain and dry seasons?

Thanks,
SA

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