[MD] i think it was me who was missing the point...oops

[Heather Perella]

gav,

     [gav]
> kinda forgot that all this 'extrication of MOQ from
> SOM', to quote one of my earlier posts, is actually
> a function of discuss; probably the most important
> function.

     Yes, I think your correct.  What you are saying
needs to be reminded so some who get bogged down.

      [gav]
> yes when i look at it this way 'discuss' becomes the
> testing ground for the MOQ, and all this ardent
> arguing becomes extremely necessary and valuable,
> and of course all contributions of a
> questioning/critical nature *the most valuable of
all*.

     yes
 
     [gav]
> i still think using focus for an moq primer would be
> a good idea, but i now think that discuss is working
> as it should be (and to think i thought i knew
better!)

     Hey, around when I first joined the MoQ.org, not
a lot of Pirsig terminology was occurring, at times. 
Not to say it never was occurring, but I just happened
to join when this was happening.  Many of the
discussions, as Ian and others may have pointed out to
me, were assumed to be MoQish, implicitly, not
explicitly.  Pirsig terms came and went, and then I
began asking people to explain what they were saying
in Pirsigian terms to understand the points they were
trying to make.  As I mentioned before, in any
society, culture (which uses a similar language) helps
to bridge predictability and understanding between all
the individuals involved in the society (MoQ.org
forum).  Some MoQer's explained to me in Pirsigian
terms and I realized this forum does try to use
Pirsigian philosophy to clear things up (except Ham,
but I have recently noticed he is trying to use some
Pirsigian terminology a little more often to help us
understand him).

> so.....my apologies to all, especially ham, david m,
> SA, case....maybe left a couple out. oh and platt
> deserves a spesh mention.

     No apologies necessary, we all need some
intellectual footing to understand where everybody is
coming from in a society.  


> hubris eh? gets us all sooner or later (seems to be
> sooner rather than later in my experience!) 

     I still think your calling out is still valid. 
We need to use Pirsigian terms and understandings to
get some discussions out of the mud.  When I say
Pirsigian terms, etc... I'm in general saying MOQ.



Thanks,
SA

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