[MD] Intuitive Reasoning?

[Ham Priday]

Greetings Gav. Marsha --


Ham said:
> Thoughts and intellectual constructs are processed by
> the brain; values, however, are pre-intellectual and
> re sensed psycho-somatically.  (I believe this is
> consistent with Pirsig's epistemology.)

Gav:
> no i don't think this is consistent ham, you are
> presuming a mind and body are required to perceive
> value.  this is SOM. the value/experience is undivided.
> the mind and body are abstracted afterwards from it.

My mistake, then, for presuming a mind and body.  (I now remember
omeone  --probably Mark -- reminding me that the individual has to be
"deduced" all over again with each value experience.)   I guess Mr. Prisig
has made the common association of mind and body with Creation obsolete.  It
would seem to me that having a functional mind and body is prerequisite for
having an experience.  But at least we agree that Value is pre-intellectual.

Ham said:
> What I'm trying to get over now is that anomalous
> "otherness" that seems to trouble the MoQ monists.

Marsha asks:
> What do you mean by this sentence?  When you say
> 'get over' do you mean that 'otherness' is troubling your
> understanding, or the understanding of the MOQer, or both?
> Or that it should trouble the MOQ monists, but does not?
> Isn't to perceive 'otherness' just a habit of thought?

And Gav adds:
> i think marsha has said it well ham.  there is no
> 'other' in undivided experience; to perceive otherness
> is a result of self-conscious awareness

Marsha, if perceiving otherness is a "habit", it's a pretty significant one,
since everything we experience is an other to us.  I notice the MoQers
constantly analyzing that other in terms of levels, patterns, symbols,
intellectual abstractions, etc., in order to explain it.

You are correct, Gav, that "there is no 'other' in undivided experience".
That means there is no divided 'other' (being) unless it is made aware.  It
suggests to me that Creation is a primary division of the Source (call it
Quality or Essence) into proprietary Sensibility (awareness) and insensible
Beingness, with Value serving as the connnection between them.  So in order
to experience a being (object) it must be divided.  Likewise, each
"self-conscious awareness" is divided from every other.  Existence is a
differentiated reality in that every experienced object is different from
every other, and so is every experiencing subject.  Thus, the specific forms
and properties of the objects are constructed by the individual intellect
using the brain and nervous system as their  "designer".   Pirsig has
"intellectually" divided otherness into levels and patterns, but he hasn't
accounted for its cause or division.

Do you see what I mean?

Appreciate the questions.

Regards,
Ham