[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[MarshaV]

David,

Do you want me to agree with you?    I CAN NOT.

Marsha



At 01:54 PM 10/3/2006, you wrote:
>Marsha
>
>Thing is, god, etc could be entirely fictional,
>yet be very important in human culture, history,
>psychology, evolution, imagination, dreams. You see
>fictions are of course real fictions. Fictions need to
>explained and understood and are important.
>
>You know, you have to know your stuff
>if you want to answer the question:
>why did we invent god?
>
>God is like an absent parent who we can't
>help imagining or talking to, or holding to
>account, or questioning, that what is what the
>history of the human race tells me. Some have
>stopped, some have not,what other truth is there?
>
>You know, does thought/thinking/intellect begin with god?
>
>David M
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ) as
>Power
>
>
> > David M said to Marsha:
> > Given what these ideas have meant to others I would not say 'silly', and
> > you
> > remain in a minority I suspect for a very long time. In principle, yes,
> > these words can dis-emerge like any other pattern.
> >
> > dmb butts in:
> > DM, I want to look at your assertion that theism is not silly, "given what
> > these ideas have meant to others". As I see it, "silly" is a casual and
> > fuzzy way to say "implausible" or "unbelievable". And let's de-escalate
> > the
> > debate by taking God out of it. To demonstrate the flaw in your logic
> > here,
> > we'll use a hypothetical instead. Let's say that the truth at issue is
> > your
> > father's fidelity in his marriage to your mother. Basically, he walked the
> > line and remained true or he cheated on her. He did or he didn't. Now, it
> > would probably mean a great deal to you, your hypothetical siblings and
> > mother to believe that he has remained faithful. And it would be very
> > painful to learn that he had a fling with that hot waitress down at the
> > Waffle House. And those emotions are real and powerful and among the most
> > meaningful elements of our lives - and they are completely irrelevant in
> > deciding whether or not his fidelity is actually true. And in fact those
> > powerful feeling can stand in the way of one's willingness to examine the
> > situation honestly and can interfere with a philosophers ability to accept
> > the harsh reality that dad was getting a little on the side. And, as
> > difficult as it may be to face the fact, there was probably some amount of
> > butter and syrup involved in it too.
> >
> > Long story short, comfortable beliefs and accurate beliefs are the same
> > beliefs only if you're very, very  lucky.
> >
> > dmb
> >
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