[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[David M]

Hi Marsha

in that case I'll agree with you instead, your half right,
try not to entirely overlook my half. Try some Wordsworth.

David M


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) 
as Power


>
>
> David,
>
> Do you want me to agree with you?    I CAN NOT.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> At 01:54 PM 10/3/2006, you wrote:
>>Marsha
>>
>>Thing is, god, etc could be entirely fictional,
>>yet be very important in human culture, history,
>>psychology, evolution, imagination, dreams. You see
>>fictions are of course real fictions. Fictions need to
>>explained and understood and are important.
>>
>>You know, you have to know your stuff
>>if you want to answer the question:
>>why did we invent god?
>>
>>God is like an absent parent who we can't
>>help imagining or talking to, or holding to
>>account, or questioning, that what is what the
>>history of the human race tells me. Some have
>>stopped, some have not,what other truth is there?
>>
>>You know, does thought/thinking/intellect begin with god?
>>
>>David M
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
>>To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:11 AM
>>Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ) 
>>as
>>Power
>>
>>
>> > David M said to Marsha:
>> > Given what these ideas have meant to others I would not say 'silly', 
>> > and
>> > you
>> > remain in a minority I suspect for a very long time. In principle, yes,
>> > these words can dis-emerge like any other pattern.
>> >
>> > dmb butts in:
>> > DM, I want to look at your assertion that theism is not silly, "given 
>> > what
>> > these ideas have meant to others". As I see it, "silly" is a casual and
>> > fuzzy way to say "implausible" or "unbelievable". And let's de-escalate
>> > the
>> > debate by taking God out of it. To demonstrate the flaw in your logic
>> > here,
>> > we'll use a hypothetical instead. Let's say that the truth at issue is
>> > your
>> > father's fidelity in his marriage to your mother. Basically, he walked 
>> > the
>> > line and remained true or he cheated on her. He did or he didn't. Now, 
>> > it
>> > would probably mean a great deal to you, your hypothetical siblings and
>> > mother to believe that he has remained faithful. And it would be very
>> > painful to learn that he had a fling with that hot waitress down at the
>> > Waffle House. And those emotions are real and powerful and among the 
>> > most
>> > meaningful elements of our lives - and they are completely irrelevant 
>> > in
>> > deciding whether or not his fidelity is actually true. And in fact 
>> > those
>> > powerful feeling can stand in the way of one's willingness to examine 
>> > the
>> > situation honestly and can interfere with a philosophers ability to 
>> > accept
>> > the harsh reality that dad was getting a little on the side. And, as
>> > difficult as it may be to face the fact, there was probably some amount 
>> > of
>> > butter and syrup involved in it too.
>> >
>> > Long story short, comfortable beliefs and accurate beliefs are the same
>> > beliefs only if you're very, very  lucky.
>> >
>> > dmb
>> >
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