[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[David M]

Hi Micah

Fair enough.

DM

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> DM
>
> Sorry it was a joke. Boy, there's nothing funny about this list.
>
> Micah
>
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of David M
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:50 PM
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>
> Micah
>
> can't you read? I said 'that much'
>
> David M
>
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> From: "Micah" <micah at roarkplumbing.com>
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> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ) 
> as
> Power
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>
>> DM,
>>
>> You said "This gets the MOQ mixed up with your prejudices. I don't dig
>> shitting
>> that much but can't do without it."
>>
>> Only a man full of shit could make such a statement. We all enjoy
>> shitting,
>> we may not be giddy about it, but the joy of relief is unmistakable.
>>
>> Micah
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of David M
>> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:47 AM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion
>> (SQ) as Power
>>
>>
>> Hi DuMBy
>>
>>> David M, advocate of the flat-Earth society,
>>
>> DM: That's you, mine's got bumps and curves and is alot more interesting.
>>
>>> dmb says:
>>> Gee - thanks for your concern about how I gotta live, mom. The problem 
>>> is
>>> not about me and a person doesn't need to be an American to know what 
>>> I'm
>>> talking about. Religion is constantly in the headlines throughout the
>>> Western world. War, terrorism and genocide is going on right now and
>>> religious hostilities play a large role in these horrors.
>>
>> DM: The major role?
>>
>> I'm not
>>> complaining about my friends and neigbors, you know? They pretty much
>>> feel
>>> the way I do. Its just a matter of degree, but not disagreement. I'm
>>> talking
>>> about history and current events and metaphysics, not my personal
>>> struggles.
>>
>> DM: If your ideas don't connect to your life, what's the point?
>>
>>> I think this mess needs to be framed in terms of the evolutionary
>>> conflict
>>> between social and intellectual values, not in terms of how we feel 
>>> about
>>> personally.
>>
>> DM: I agree. In these terms my point is that religion does emerge as
>> v.important
>> on the lower levels and still has a role on the intellectual level. My
>> point
>> is
>> that these are levels, if you throw away the lower levels when you get to
>> the top the whole thing falls down, that's what you appear to want to do.
>> The MOQ way to look at this is that you keep the lower levels going from
>> your new height, you just look at them differently. You are having some
>> sort
>> of fantasy that you can do without the lower levels and still live on the
>> higher
>> level. This gets the MOQ mixed up with your prejudices. I don't dig
>> shitting
>> that much but can't do without it.
>>
>>>
>>> And think about how odd it is to defend the belief in God. Why not the
>>> gods?
>>> Why not the gods and goddess and their children and their half-mortal
>>> rivals. How about the Titans and Fire-breathing dragons? Where do you
>>> draw
>>> the line on a thing like that? Why is it not ridiculous to keep hanging
>>> on
>>> to that one last God? Gods come and go, Dave. We don't worship the Sun
>>> anymore
>>
>> DM: I agree, religion, worship, etc evolves. Chances are there are more
>> gods
>> to come, that's my point, chances are the values and qualities of 
>> religion
>> will
>> keep re-emerging in new forms, they are there is science rather obviously
>> to
>> anyone with an eye for metaphors and re-hashed concepts, you know,
>> educated.
>>
>> and in the future the Pope may seem as ridiculous as a witch doctor
>>> in a Three Stooges movie. Come to think of it, those Pope clothes are
>>> kinda
>>> fruity even to contemporary eyes. My point? It looks to me like theistic
>>> religion is fading fast already.
>>
>> DM: I'd say religion is going backwards quite a lot at the moment, and
>> failing
>> to swallow certain bitter pills that need to be swallowed to move 
>> forward.
>> You just come across like there never was a counter enlightnment.
>>
>> I think we are now witnessing its last
>>> desperate acts.
>>
>> DM: Yes, in its current inadequate form.
>>
>> On some level, I think most people know that its a vestige
>>> of the past, obsolete already and they're very upset about that fact. 
>>> You
>>> know, denial and rage are part of the grieving process and, historically
>>> speaking, God died just the other day.
>>
>> DM: Yes, one kind off god, as you recognise above, that makes room for
>> new ones. Go and read Don Cupitt's Religion of Being to see the future.
>>
>>>
>>> And on a philosophical level, there are many reasons why theism doesn't
>>> work
>>> in the MOQ, but now even I am bored by that schpeil.
>>
>> DM: Even my dog can't hold an old bone like you can!
>>
>>>
>>> Sweet dreams, Jesus freak.
>>
>> DM:  Not me, you're the one obsessed with Christians, I haven't seen one
>> for
>> years.
>>
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