[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[ian glendinning]

Micah,

One man's wild-ass speculation is anothers hypothesis.

There is plenty of "evidence" to support my hypothesis, which I
offered to dig up for you. I've seen enough evidence to use the
hypotheis as my day to day working assumption. If you any counter
evidence of proof the other way (as Arlo also requests), then offer
it, rather than finding wilder rhetoric to say you disagree ... I
already knew that.

Ian

On 10/11/06, Gene M <boredandunstable at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Monkeys don't have a point of view, you are assuming.
>
>
> He's assuming they do, you're assuming they don't. Don't pretend your not
> assuming just as much as he.
>
> >No. People have died and YOUR reality still exists. All that proves is that
> > >TO YOU "you are the measure of all things".
> >
> > I didn't say that, pay attention. Reality cannot be shown to exist without
> > humans, and humans (two or more) have shared objective reality. Which is
> > to
> > say; we do not control reality, but it does not exist without us.
>
>
> Everytime you say Reality, I can't help but feel you are incredibly
> confused, because what it seems like what you Should be saying is: Our
> Reality. Or maybe even My Reality. You are only assuming that Reality cannot
> exist without humans, cause there is absolutely no way to check. You speak
> as if it were undeniable fact, but it is pure conjecture. You have no proof
> either. This is a war of belief. Either I believe Reality is greater than
> Man, or is limited to our perceptions alone. Clearly you've chosen the
> latter, and Arlo chose the former.
>
> You have misinterpreted Pirsig. Quality is where subject and object meet.
>
>
> Neg. Quality Precedes them. They are birthed by it. Before Quality neither
> exists, thus they cannot possibly make Quality. You seem to be confused.
>
> Micah
>
>
> I'm with Arlo on this one. You seem trapped in an extremely circular logic,
> maybe it makes you feel important, I dunno. Clearly you are getting
> something out of it, because you seem to be incredibly strongly attached to
> it. I however choose to believe that Man is not particularly special, other
> than to Himself. Sure, I'm all for my personal Reality, but I don't have the
> hubris to assert that without me and my race Reality couldn't be said to
> exist. It strikes me as prideful and vain. The monkeys probably think we're
> real jerks...
>
> There's alot more on this planet, and a whole Hell of a lot more in this
> universe than you and I.
>
> An idea just occured to me! If you want a nice trapdoor emergency escape
> from the logical corner you've built up around yourself, just assume that
> all matter is aware. Since in the MOQ inorganic matter can be said to make
> Quality decisions, it must be aware of Quality. Thus as long as it is aware
> of itself, the universe drives on, irregardless of "higher" beings observing
> it. As long as it can observe itself, everything is fine.
>
> Uh-oh! Now Platt's gonna barge in and accuse me of animism!! Crap! Better
> run while I can.
>
> -Gene
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