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Gene:
I rarely consider RQ and CQ anymore at all frankly, I almost forgot  about
them until you brought them up here. I feel like they are ideas that  served
a specific purpose, highlighting problems in SOM, and as a bridge  to
Quality, and finally the MoQ. I feel that the final form of the MoQ  benefits
from completely discarding the ideas, their work done. They are  little more
than analogues of Subjective and Objectively slanted people. In  the core
MoQ, of SQ and DQ, I don't think they have a lot to say. Just my  personal
opinion.
 
Mark 31-10-06: Hello Gene. Me too.
I brought them up because they were part of a quote Case infered.

Case:
I think there is a big problem in this forum of equating DQ and  Quality
itself. I think DQ is amoral. DQ is not Good. It's not Bad either. DQ  in my
head is just a Change. Anytime anything at all changes, that is DQ  in
action, the Quality is served only in the effects on SQ after the  fact.
Dynamic Quality can be degeneration or growth, destruction or  amplification,
anything that alters SQ is DQ, and together they serve Quality  in the end.
 
Mark 31-10-06: I agree.

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Gene:
I'm no Buddhist either, in fact I choose not to label myself in  any way if I
can help it. However, although I fear I might be repeating Case  against my
best intentions, I think you've missed a big point of Taoism and  Buddhism if
you do not think they address change.
 
Mark 31-10-06: I don't label myself either.
I argued taoism and buddhism don't account for evolution. I didn't  argue 
about change.

Gene:
Many Many passages of the Tao Te Ching refer specifically to  movement,
returning to the root, alluding to the fact that the only constant  in the
world is Change.  Evolution is just a long series of changes, DQ  affecting
SQ toward betterness, toward Quality. Each affecting the other,  creating and
destroying each other. The delicate balance of which is Quality  manifest.

-Gene
 
Mark 31-10-06: Change does not imply evolution.
Love,
Mark