[MD] Chaos Crystallised.

[ian glendinning]

Can't think which specific physicist you mean Mark, I'd be interested to know.

Rings bells with Pythagoras, Hofstadter, Tolk and Gamow, to name a few.
"Music of the spheres" is Pythagorean in origin, and picked up by many
a physicist since ... Gallileo, Szillard and Bronowski to name a few
fore. (From planetary to sub-atomic scales)

This is fun http://www.scientainment.com/ptsongbook.htm

Careful with that past tense ;-)
Regards
Ian


On 9/8/06, Squonkonguitar at aol.com <Squonkonguitar at aol.com> wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> I wanted to write to say in this case my silence does not  represent
> applauding and shouting BRAVO.  I am thinking.  During  your
> discussion with Ham, I went back to reread your Conference and MD
> papers.  In both cases I felt something was missing.  In this  case,
> 'Chaos Crystallised' intuitively feels correct.  I do not have  the
> background to make a scientific or mathematical comparison and my
> knowledge of philosophy is limited, so I am using life
> experiences.  I hope I will be reading more.
>
> Marsha
>
> Mark: Hello Marsha.
> Thanks for your support.
> I think you are right - there was something missing before which may now be
> getting better?
>
> The phrase, 'Fractured Chaos' hit me out of the Blue while i was thinking
> about how to solve Ian's (psybertron) unhappiness with 'Coherence as
> equilibrium' and 'Coherence as far from equilibrium.' There is a difference i am  sure,
> and finding a plausable root differentiating basis lead me right back to  the
> root of chaos itself - pre-inorganic patterns.
> If we invent a basis for chaos leaping via a Dynamic change into order and
> call the initial order 'self similar harmonic,' then the SSH is a new, 'music
> of  the spheres'. Perhaps we should think of it as, 'The Music of the values?'
> 'Fractured chaos' changed to, 'crystallised Chaos' because it felt  better to
> use the crystal metaphor Pirsig used in ZMM.
> After all, i WAS thinking about far from equilibrium states and that's what
> Pirsig was talking about here also:
>
> 'Seed crystal. A powerful fragment of memory comes back now. The  laboratory.
> Organic chemistry. He was working with an extremely supersaturated  solution
> when something similar had happened.
> A supersaturated solution is  one in which the saturation point, at which no
> more material will dissolve, has  been exceeded. This can occur because the
> saturation point becomes higher as the  temperature of the solution is
> increased. When you dissolve the material at a  high temperature and then cool the
> solution, the material sometimes doesn't  crystallize out because the molecules don
> 't know how. They require something to  get them started, a seed crystal, or
> a grain of dust or even a sudden scratch or  tap on the surrounding glass.
> He walked to the water tap to cool the solution  but never got there. Before
> his eyes, as he walked, he saw a star of crystalline  material in the solution
> appear and then grow suddenly and radiantly until it  filled the entire
> vessel. He saw it grow. Where before was only clear liquid  there was now a mass so
> solid he could turn the vessel upside down and nothing  would come out.
> The one sentence "I hope you are teaching Quality to your  students" was said
> to him, and within a matter of a few months, growing so fast  you could
> almost see it grow, came an enormous, intricate, highly structured  mass of
> thought, formed as if by magic.' (ZMM. ch. 15)
>
> The Music of values crops up in music (no surprises there)! and art and
> literature - it's a metaphor with a basis in experience. Creative people find
> rhythm and music in literature as well as Mathematics.
>
> But the music of the values is not deterministic. The initial SSH is
> evolving.
> So, you can paint music cos it's all vibrations of various levels.
> I reckon you feel that anyway Marsha.
> Or am i off the track?
>
> Love,
> Mark
>
> P.S. Can anyone remind me of the name of a famous <British?>  scientist who
> gave up conventional research because he became convinced Music  would provide
> the answers to Physics?
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