[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[David M]

Hi DMB/Gav/Ian

I'm with Gav and Ian on this, but there is more to battle
against in the US regarding religion than here in the UK
so I can understand why DMB is sweating about this stuff.

Like any other form of explanation, religion tries to
makes sense of experience, some of this explanation
can be useful, some of it less so, some of it, goes the
wrong way entirely and creates problems. MOQ
has less problems, but we can still use the good stuff
that religion, SOM, science, feminism, whatever
have brought to the party. Of course, differentiating the
good from bad is hard work. If I were DMB I would
bash dogmatism and closed minds rather than religion
or even theism as such.

Regards
David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience,and Religion (SQ) as 
Power


> Fortunately Gav, you also said ...
> [QUOTE]
> Seriously though if people get some quality and happiness and perhaps
> even spritual knowledge out of religion then is it all a bad thing?
> [UNQUOTE]
>
> Could you try that charm on DMB ? I'm as atheist against the idea of
> any literal purposeful sentient omnipotent god as it's posible to be
> .... I've not found anything that can't be explained by natural causes
> yet, with a little help from Pirsig ... but every time I suggest DMB's
> arguments for or against theist religion ain't all black and white, (a
> pointless tis / tisn't argument) I seem to wind him up.
>
> As you rather clumsily pointed out - a lot of people are very touchy
> about the subject - so why make it central to any argument ?
> Ian
>
> Ian
>
> On 8/8/06, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>> At 02:33 AM 8/8/2006, gav wrote:
>>
>> >you seem very touchy about religion mate. were you
>> >molested by catholic priests or something? they
>> >wouldn't touch me the picky bastards.
>>
>> gav,
>>
>> This statement could only have been made by an a-hole.  It is an
>> pathetic attempt to distract, and says more about your character than
>> your argument.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
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