[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters
pholden at davtv.com
pholden at davtv.com
Tue Sep 26 05:36:46 PDT 2006
Quoting Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu>:
> [Platt assuming the above was Ben replied]
> Totally as an aside to your post to Ben, I thank you for making another
> argument for my case to rename the intellectual level the "individual"
> level. The clear implication of your statement is that collective state
> interests can never be based on or attain intellectual quality.
>
> [Arlo]
> Actually, Arlo does not confuse the "state" with the "collective
> consciousness of all communicating mankind". Intellectual level patterns,
> such as calculus or the MOQ, emerge from the historical-dialectically
> generated activity of individuals participating in the collective milieu
> (or as Pirsig refers to it, the collective consciousness of all
> communicating mankind). The "state" is not this, but rather a formalized
> system of governing human activity.
So the "collective consciousness of all mankind" is always at the intellectual
level while the collective state reflecting a national consciousness can never
attain that level?
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