[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

pholden at davtv.com pholden at davtv.com
Tue Sep 26 05:36:46 PDT 2006


Quoting Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu>:

> [Platt assuming the above was Ben replied]
> Totally as an aside to your post to Ben, I thank you for making another 
> argument for my case to rename the intellectual level the "individual" 
> level. The clear implication of your statement is that collective state 
> interests can never be based on or attain intellectual quality.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Actually, Arlo does not confuse the "state" with the "collective 
> consciousness of all communicating mankind". Intellectual level patterns, 
> such as calculus or the MOQ, emerge from the historical-dialectically 
> generated activity of individuals participating in the collective milieu 
> (or as Pirsig refers to it, the collective consciousness of all 
> communicating mankind). The "state" is not this, but rather a formalized 
> system of governing human activity.

So the "collective consciousness of all mankind" is always at the intellectual
level while the collective state reflecting a national consciousness can never
attain that level? 



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