[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Micah]

Jos,

Animals think? Have you been talking to animals, Dr. Dolittle? Animals
cooperate? Do they have logos and team colors too?

You are anthropomorphizing.

Micah


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Laycock, Jos (OSPT)
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:37 AM
To: 'moq_discuss at moqtalk.org'
Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters


Further discussion it is then:

On psychaitric illness, I recall that Pirsig is at some pains to describe it
as a cultural/intellectual phenomenon, yes this may be underpinned by
certain inorgainc and biological patterns but as stated previously this is
the same with all patterns that are written on top of lower ones. The
thought is still a thought even if it is an abberent one. A "correct"
thought also stems from a biological/chemical process.

"People are
> harder to define, being at times biological, at other times
> social, and
> occasionally intellectual."
IMHO a person is all things all at once, our actions though can be placed
within particular levels.

The chemical burn examople can be changed as I see any reference to eating
makes it a biological issue in your eyes, how about sunburn:
I can choose to stay in UV light for nine hours, it causes inorganic damage
to the cells in my skin, its a bad decision and one that runs against the
life favouring morality that exists in the inorganic level.
Humans aren't unique in making choices that override biological urges, what
evidence is there for this assertion? Animals also choose to avoid self
endangering activities, they also choose to act co-operatively. In a further
blurring of the distinction, many humans are entirely unable to resist
biological urges and excercise no choice whatsoever, hence the chronic
obesity problems that sweep the world today, and all other addictive
behaviours.


----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of pholden at davtv.com
> Sent: 28 September 2006 14:49
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters
>
>
> Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <Jos.Laycock at OFFSOL.GSI.GOV.UK>:
>
> > Hello Platt
> > These were intended to be examples of moral codes
> applicable at all the
> > different static levels, you've chosen to assign them to
> different levels
> > which misses the point, my fault for being vague:
> >
> > Any event at any level of course permeates all those
> beneath, entities can
> > though be defined by the highest level at whih they are
> manifest. Do you
> > agree?
>
> To some extent. Entities such as atoms and antelopes can be
> easily pegged as
> belonging to the inorganic and biological levels
> respectively. People are
> harder to define, being at times biological, at other times
> social, and
> occasionally intellectual.
>
> > Drinking bleach can be seen as a metophor for making a bad
> decision that
> > breaks a moral code of the inorganic values system. Please
> feel free to pick
> > a different one that we can agree on.
> > Point is, that breaking it is a free choice that is
> available, and you will
> > be punished for it by the destructive oxidation of a range
> of the mollecules
> > that make up your inorganic pattern.
>
> I consider drinking, eating, sleeping, fighting, f---ing and
> the like to be
> biological level behaviors. Humans are unique in having some
> control over
> these values.
>
> > Sleeping with your sister breaks a biological moral code
> and you will be
> > punished by your progeny having limited diversity and
> becoming prone to
> > genetic disease.
>
> I also consider inbreeding biological level behavior.
>
> > Passing a red light breaks a cultural moral and the
> punishment is likely to
> > be a fine.
>
> Yes. A social value.
>
> > Beoming irrational and denying the facts or logic that you
> are not napoleon
> > breaks an intellectual moral code and you will be punished
> for it with
> > "correction" likely applied by the intellect of a psychiatrist.
>
> I think it's been fairly well established that most mental
> illnesses have as
> their root cause a chemical imbalance in the brain. At least
> a great many
> of such illnesses are relieved by drugs. Talking things out
> with a psychiatrist
> may prove helpful, but as you know Pirsig is no great fan of
> psychiatric "correction."
>
> I hope this is responsive to your points. I get the feeling
> that you and I
> may disagree on our understanding of Pirsig's levels. Perhaps
> further discussion
> will be helpful.
>
> Platt
>
>
>
>
>
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