[MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters

[Laycock, Jos (OSPT)]

Craig

Never said it was a bad (in absolute tems) thing, I am also an external
observer in this conversation.
Static morailty of a given level compared to another will generaly be at
odds. 

1) He says that certain things are good, he doesn't say that we can state
that they are.
2) Static things are valuable (good) within the moral codes of the static
level at which they are manifest, we cannot know how good they are in any
absolute sense.
3)Because we are inquisitive about the nature of existence, if shared
analogies are good enough for you then good for you, but an analogy has to
be a description of something, if language describes nothing then it has no
value. 
When you say "working well enough" how "well" is "enough"?


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> Subject: Re: [MD] Flying Spagetti Monsters
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> 
> [Jos]
> > Stimulating yes, but damaging to the status quo nonetheless. 
> 
> If something is a stimulating improvement to the culture but 
> damaging to the status quo, too bad for the status quo.  It's 
> called progress.
> 
> [Jos] 
> > 1) Attempting to state what is good is futile, when we 
> recognise that a full 
> > definition defies static explanation. 
> > 2) Good is dynamic 
> > 3) The absolute nature of static patterns (if that is even 
> a valid concept) 
> > are not visible to us, they are described by language in 
> terms of shared 
> > analogies, it is unlikely that these analogies are "accurate" 
> > representations of the underlying paterns. 
> 
> Jos,
> Your argument has now become even weaker.
> 1) assumes that we cannot state what is good without having a 
> full definiton.  In ZMM Pirsig states several things that are 
> good even in the absense of a definition.
> 2) Is nothing static, good???
> 3) If the language, its descriptions & its definitions are 
> working well enough for shared communication, why do we need 
> these invisible absolute underlying static patterns, which we 
> can't ever have anyway, to play a role?
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