[MD] are theism and mysticism mutually exclusive notions?

Case Case at iSpots.com
Sat Sep 30 21:21:27 PDT 2006


     [Case said to Dan]
> In the first
> lecture an astronomer was
> talking about string theory and said that it is not
> really science because
> it has yet to produce a testable hypothesis. Now
> that is strict materialism.

     Case, string theory is all theory, includes a lot
of math, last time I checked.  String theory is
persuasive, but has little, if NO material, little or
no experiment is capable of verifying it.  I know if
we want to observe strings it would take a particle
accelerator the size of the solar system to come
close, as for what human beings are able to make
technologically.    

[Case]
Yes,that was his point.

> In the third lecture a theologian concluded that our
> attempts to understand
> the world must begin with the Trinity. I wanted to
> break all dmb on him.

  Khaled has mentioned this book before by Karen
Armstrong called "The History of God".  The Trinity in
the Greek or Eastern Christianity has been a way of
contemplation the presence and awe of G-d.  It is
Western Christianity, if I remember correctly (yeah
memory at times goes vague when philosophical or any
notion doesn't become imbued in everyday life), that
leaned the Trinity towards a more literal
interpretation.

[Case]
The Trinity has had a variety of interpretations. The one he was talking
about comes from the theologian Karl Barth who says that the Trinity
represents The Revealer, The Revealed and the Revelation. It sounds a bit
like semiotics or one of those language theories to me.
 
> I guess what I am getting at is that even in the MoQ
> we end up with this
> tension between the world as objects and the world
> as process. Or the world
> is things and the world as ideas. If the MoQ is
> seeking to resolve this
> conflict, well to quote Bart Simpson, "Are we there
> yet? Are we there yet?
> Are we there yet?"

     Are there things?  Do these things do stuff (have
process)?  Are there ideas?  Yes to all three, what's
the problem?  This world is a blend, and allows for
our view of these three.  Could this view change? 
Sure, and isn't that what a blend, a world being
dynamic does?  We'll never know it all, we human
beings can't live it all.  I know I'm not a black
hole, and yet, I'm sure a black hole has something to
do with me.
     By the way, when you quote Bart Simpson, "Are we
there yet?"  A question, "What is quality?"  will give
you the same answer, a dynamic answer, an answer that
can be static and changing due to unfinished work.    

     If this work was finished, then why are the
leaves falling in autumn?  Winter is coming! 

[Case]
I guess it is not so much what is, but what we think about it, huh? 

I live in a land of eternal summer. There is constant swelter and we mark
the turn of seasons in the ebb and flow of sweat stains.






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