[MD] Art of Value

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

>From: "Akshay Peshwe" <akshay.infosys at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] Art of Value
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:01:30 +0400
>
>Mr Glover:
>
>There's an interesting Chinese proverb saying that the way a person lives
>after death is by his legacy. The MoQ proves this so brilliantly. The 
>legacy
>is a person's static patterns leave over other patterns are the way those
>static patterns survive. Within, say, social patterns, I believe there are
>types of sub-patterns. There are patterns for envy, for affection, for
>flattering, et cetera.

Hi Akshay Peshwe

Thank you for writing and welcome to moq.discuss.

Who will remember us in say a thousand years when we've all turned back into 
the dust from which we sprang... no one I should think. Oh, there might be 
some dry words floating about if we are given to writing and people then are 
given to reading. But the people who we are and the lives that we led and 
the loves that we endured will all be forgotten.

Take Sir Newton... he spent an intellectual lifetime driven by the desire to 
know the world and the legacy he left is profound. But people forget how he 
lost his father at a young age and was forced to call another man father, a 
man he intensely disliked. It must have shaped his life in ways that only 
those who have experienced such loss can begin to understand. What of his 
longing for love? Do any of his writings reflect that heartache he must have 
felt? The dark nights that he spent alone, dreaming of the love that never 
came? I think not.

>[Akshay]
>A neater way to classify these patterns can be astrology: each person
>consisting of fire, earth, air, water patterns of different values. When an
>ancestor leaves envy against the opposite tribe, he's imposing a particular
>set/configuration of patterns onto another person's patterns.

[Dan]
I think Robert Pirsig calls karma "evolutionary garbage," which seems 
attuned to what you're saying here. It behooves us to realize how our every 
thought and action shapes not only our reality but the reality of the world. 
The desires, hates, and fears that we put out come back to haunt us and 
bedevil us in ways unforseeable. A simple kindness that we show to others 
can profoundly shape the world as well. I find it is a good thing to 
remember.

>[Akshay]
>By the way, the phrase "life after death" is a contradiction speaking
>strictly logically.

[Dan]
Yes it is. I believe the question was: does consciousness survive the death 
of the brain. To the best of my knowledge, no one has yet identified what 
consciousness is or where (or if) it is located in the brain. Does the brain 
act as a kind of antenna for consciousness? No one knows. If the brain is 
indeed the seat of consciousness then when the brain dies, so does 
consciousness. But if the brain acts as an antenna, then perhaps 
consciousness survives in some fashion that we as living beings are unable 
to comprehend. It is I suppose a mystery that only the dead share.

>[Akshay]
>What do you think?
>

[Dan]

I think life is amazing. I am often stopped by tall green grass swaying in 
the breeze and I find that I have to sit and watch sometimes for hours 
waiting for some mystery to reveal itself to me. Of course, it never does. 
Still, I sit.

Thanks for reading,

Dan