[MD] Pirsig the Prophet

[MarshaV]

At 05:43 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote:
>Quoting MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>:
>
> > At 04:22 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote:
> > >Quoting MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>:
> > >
> > > > I think I agree that some discipline in the public schools and at
> > > > home is beneficial.  But there are other considerations in today's
> > > > life that just didn't exist in the Victorian period.  The difference
> > > > between then and now is very great. Besides who in the Victorian Age
> > > > are you, and Pirsig, discussing.  There are the people represented by
> > > > Sargent's paintings.  The wealthy expected their children to be
> > > > disciplined, but what of the other classes.  I don't know.  Do you?
> > > >
> > > > Marsha
> > >
> > >Hi Marsha,
> > >
> > >I think its reasonable to assume that by and large the wealthy were
> > >the leaders
> > >in Victorian society and that other classes took their behavior cues
> > >from those
> > >leaders. So I expect most people accepted discipline as proper. 
> Do you have
> > >reason to believe otherwise?
> >
> > Hi Platt,
> >
> > I think I've heard that wealthy Victorian parents didn't take care of
> > their children at all, but turned them over to governesses and
> > boarding schools.  So if you are still talking about 'spare the rod
> > and spoil the child', I am suspicious.  Were you a well-disciplined,
> > proper little Platt?   Also, since there weren't any child labor
> > laws, I think many a little tyke, from the less fortunate class,
> > found themselves working long hours in dirty factories or the mines.
> >
> > Marsha
>
>Hi Marsha,
>
>Governesses and boarding schools demanded discipline. No? As I wrote, I am
>not talking about harsh physical abuse. Do you not believe me? A 
>"proper little
>Platt?" Just exactly what do you mean? I was brought up to be polite 
>and respect
>others. Weren't you? Is that what you mean? As for child labor laws, the first
>were enacted in Victorian England.
>
>Platt
>

Hi Platt,

I've already agreed that some discipline in the public schools and at 
home is beneficial.  Do you want me to agree with more than that?

Marsha