[MD] subject / object logic

[Ron Kulp]

Craig,

Nothing exists 4.5 billion years ago, nor 1 million years ago, nor 6000
years ago. Now only exists and the past, a human mental concept, only
exists in our perception of now. Your premise is; that time exists
independent of man - could you please  show how you know this? Who could
have put time there (other than us)? What is time?

Micah

[Ron]
Micah, interesting question. 
geologic record or, the bones we dug out of the ground in the now,
suggest that the now once
was populated by huge creatures no longer present in the now. We may
experience their remains in the now
but does this mean they never existed alive? a good question.


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[dmb]
> The MOQ says that experience brings "things" into existence.  Instead 
> of
the usual view, it says that
> "things" are given reality by virtue of the distinctions we discover 
> in
experience.

Let's look at a specific example:  when did the earth come into
existence?
1) 4.5 billion years ago (according to scientists)
2) 1 million years ago (according to early man)
3) 6,000 years ago (according to the Bible)

If 1) is correct, then the earth existed prior to our experience of it.
Craig


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