[MD] Mystics and Brains

[David M]

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> Quoting David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
>> Hi Platt
>>
>> >How does consciousness observe itself?
>
> DM:
>> Here's one example. I decide to move my book from a to b,
>> I observe this possibility becoming actual, and afterwards I can say: I 
>> did
>> that.
>
> Who is doing the observing? (See below)
>
>> > Does your consciousness create the present, or is the present always
>> > already
>> > there?
>
>> DM: Another example, something flickers at my side, I turn to focus on 
>> it,
>> yes, here is a bird.
>
> Who is the I that turns and focuses? (See below)
>
>> > Do organisms embody a consciousness that's present in the present?
>
>> DM: What is present is present, what is absent is absent.
>
> What is is. More people would be happy if they accepted that. "God grant 
> me
> the serenity to accept the things I cannot change . . ."
>
>> DM: When an
>> organism is alive it has enourmous potential, but not when it is dead.
>> Is this potential present when an organism is alive, depends how you
>> want to look at it and use your terminology.
>
> So do you define consciousness as "potential?"
>
>> > Does an organism's pre-conceptual consciousness include evaluation?
>
>> DM: I think yes, otherwise there is no awareness. Awareness=taking 
>> notice,
>> or care.
>
> Yes. This is a key principle of the MOQ.
>
>> > Who is the "I" that knows it's own mind?
>
>> DM: How do we find this 'I' that we refer to. As children we struggle
>> to understand and make sense of our experience. Adults order
>> and explain our experiences for us, we probably believe everything
>> we are told. We discover our bodies and the unique relationship
>> we have to our own bodies, and then we discover a secret, that
>> we have our own understanding and perspective, that we can know
>> things that others do not. Hence the joy of hiding things for children.
>> This secret should tell us something very important about truth, that
>> we all have part of it and none of us all of it. The 'I' is the unique 
>> truth
>> we all possess.
>
> A fine answer. To put it in my own words, "'I' is our soul, our unique 
> being."
>
>
>
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