[MD] Man, the measure of all?

[Ron Kulp]

[Micah]

"Nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans" is an objective
statement. It is fact.

[x]

If we can not know anything but what our sensory organs tell us,  there
must be something to sense outside of ourselves,

therefore humans must exist independant of reality or we'd be sensing
only ourselves or else how would one gain any knowledge? we would

have to be born with the totallity of reality already known if it were
not so. Science  would then be psychiatry by that reasoning, would'nt
it?

are you suggesting that all of reality is the contruction of YOUR mind
alone  since there  is no way to prove otherwise?    This alludes to the
idea of

 some sort of narcitheism, is it that you  percieve that you  are  "god"
in this universe? and we are all figments of your thought?

 

[Micah]

Is there a non human point of view?

[x] 

It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to
 have learned English (up to fifty words used in correct context) 
no human being has been reported to have learned Dolphinese.
- Carl Sagan