[MD] Intention changes physical world (some questions)

[Ron Kulp]

> [x]
> This brings me to SA, where pure thought is no
> thought- nothing-quiet
> not even quality arises for
> Once quality arises also the 10,000 things, all is the moment of 
> expierience.
[SA]
     You squeezed a lot into this sentence.  Pure thought is no-thought
quiet, ok, I guess that's how you perceive quiet.  
     The sky is quiet, too, you know.  While quiet I hear 10,000 things.
While I undifferentiate, the I is unknown for all these snow flakes are
falling everywhere. 

[x]
Empty yourself of everything.
Let the mind become still.
Quality rises and falls while the Self watches their return.
IT grows and flourishes and then returns to the source.
Returning to the source is stillness, which is the way of nature.
 

     [x] 
> Conclusion: The tao is not quality. it is before quality.

[sa]
     What is quality?  What is tao?  Both obscure, and fully not
answered.

     dynamic quality = undifferentiation
     static quality      = differentiation

Both are quality.  What is this quality?  Snow flakes falling everywhere
and I can't see a thing.


thanks.
some leaves,
SA

[x]

what I'm coming to understand is that Tao is reality 
TE is quality
Static and dynamic are the two aspects of TE (quality)
Static and dynamic  yin and yang
Yin=Dynamic-female
Yang=Static-male
Always in motion



Carrying matter and thought and embracing reality,
Can you avoid separation?
Attending fully and becoming supple,
Can you be as a newborn baby?
Washing and cleansing the primal vision,
Can you be without stain?
Loving all men and ruling the country,
Can you be without cleverness?
Opening and closing the gates of heaven,
Can you play the role of woman?
Understanding and being open to all things,
Are you able to do nothing?
Giving birth and nourishing,
Bearing yet not possessing,
Working yet not taking credit,
Leading yet not dominating,
This is Primal Quality.

The reality that can be told is not reality.
Quality that can be named is not Quality.
reality is the beginning of heaven and Earth.
Quality is the mother of the ten thousand things.
Ever dynamic, one can see the mystery.
Ever static, one sees the manifestations.
These two spring from Quality but differ in name; this appears as
darkness.
Subject/object metaphysics
The gate to all mystery.

Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is
ugliness.
All can know dynamic as dynamic only because there is static.

Therefore having and not having arise together.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short contrast each other:
High and low rest upon each other;
Voice and sound harmonize each other;
Front and back follow one another.

Do you see this as fitting?
I expierienced no-thought in
Painting
Martial arts
Sports


I have a lot to say about this.
I have a lot of expierience in it's use.
I feel it is very valid to the topic.
What say you Marsha? You're a painter

Thank you SA
Your thoughts are important


A fox with mange
-x










 
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