[MD] Intention changes physical world (some questions)

[Heather Perella]

> [x]
> Dynamic quality is'nt anything in particular just a 
> more kinetic aspect
> of Quality where static is less kinetic as I
> understand it.
> I'll use water as an example...dynamic -vapor,  
> static - ice
>  it all moves but at different rates.

 
     You putting yin and yang in here.  Zen says get
rid of the pair of opposites.  Here is a quote from
Lila (Ch. 9) as follows:
     "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting
edge of reality, the source of all things, completely
simple and always new."
  
      When you say dynamic is a rate, a more kinetic
aspect, it is vapor, the first is an intellectual
concept, so is the second, and the last one is
inorganic level.  These are not pre-intellectual. 
Here is another quote from Lila (Ch. 11) as follows:
     "But Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it
is not chaotic. It is value that cannot be contained
by static patterns."  

     You are containing dq in a static pattern by
calling it yin and female.  Dq is egoless and thus,
not containing by any pair of opposites.  This
no-self, no-ego of dq is how a particular, a human
being, a tree, or a butterfly, without an ego, the
static pattern these are does not contain them. 
Human's realize this, and then without ego in view a
tree is not contained by an ordinary tree.  This tree
is now upon a no-self
spiritual/excellent/enlightened/dynamic quality
existent.  This tree is not bound to any treeness,
this tree has no boundaries.
     Lila (Ch. 11) as follows:  
     "And the Darwinians don't mean just any old
quality, they mean undefined Quality! As Mayr's
article makes clear, they are absolutely certain there
is no way to define what that 'fittest' is.  Good! The
'undefined fittest" they are defending is identical to
Dynamic Quality..."

     Dq is undefined.
 
     "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled
by static patterns of quality it is without choice.
But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality,
which is undefinable, one's behavior is free." (Lila;
12)

     And here, again, the word "undefinable" is
actually used.  How do I know this?  Quietness has
been the way for me to realize this, and I have
experienced quietness long before I read Pirsig.  I
believe we must realize on our own these experiences
undefined before they shine clearly in many places
that once seemed so ordinary are now excellent.  Such
as drinking tea, watching the birds feed in the snow
and trees.  This is ultimate reality.

     

>      [x]
> > The reality that can be told is not reality.

>     [SA previously]
>      dynamic quality 

>      [x]
> > no, this is before quality altogether

     dynamic quality is reality that can NOT be told. 
So, it is reality.  Undifferentiated, undefined,
unspoken, ultimate reality.  To talk about something
that can't be talked about is of a very high static
pattern, high as in good quality.

 
>      [x]
> > Quality that can be named is not Quality.

>      [SA]
>      true undifferentiated dq
 
>      [x]
> > no,both dynamic and static aspects encapsulated,
> just quality, before
> the split.

     See, since your stuck in the pair of opposites
your mind with go back and forth stuck between this
and that.  There is no this and that.  Quality is
undefined and definable.  The aspect of quality that
is defining what is not defined is static quality. 
The not defined being defined is dynamic quality. 
Since dq is never exhausted, never defined, it is
static quality with no-self, then the question What is
quality? is still not answered due to dq.  These are
not pairs of opposites.  Sq=dq  Dq is just sq not
defined/differentiated.



> [SA]
>      Subject is NOT object they are divided in SOM.

> [x]
> Yes, but are one in Quality

     How?



> [SA]
>      Sq and dq are NOT words for subject and Object.

> [x]
> Please explain

     Sq and dq are not replacing the exact meaning and
use of subject and object.  Subject and object are
static quality.  Dq is not even dq.

 
>      [x]
> > The gate to all mystery.
> 
>    [SA]
>   dq

>    [x]
>   SOM

      a black-capped chick-a-dee


>     [SA previously]
>       This is all static quality, except for
> not-having.  Nothing does
> not-have, unless, you are referring to static
> quality, a thing
> not-having.
 
>      [x]
> >I see it as saying it is all Quality but once you
> discern "what" kind,
> it's opposite appears,

     The opposites did appear.  I read them.

     [x]
> the split occurs.
> The manifestaions emerge.

      All manifestations are static patterns.  Dq
never manifests.  Dq just is.

      [x]
> What I see it as saying
> is, that mind can
> exist and function prior to
> thought/intellect/quality.

      You see, what your saying here is what dynamic
quality is saying.  It's a matter of being exact to
how Pirsig explained these terms he came up with. 
Nothing is prior to quality - literally, thus, dq is
the cave wall where it all stops and nothing goes any
further.

     [x]
> Mind has the ability to processes experience hot off
> the presses and
> throw it out before thought/intellect/quality
> murders it, disects it
> Labels and stores it. Like v'ger in star trek the
> motion picture.

     Dq can't dissect anything.  Dq is nothing.  Dq is
a snowflake moving the sun.

 

> Two squirrels
> Treating my bird feeder
> Like a virgin
> On a pirate ship
> -x

     Ha, I like it.

baby just cried, gotta go, time to change the diaper,
SA

 



 
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