[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?)

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Squonk predicted dmb's relply:
You retort: That's rubbish. Is that the  best you can do?

dmb says:
Exactly. T'was a big fat bucket of  face-saving weasle words. Thank you very 
little.

We all know that  Pirsig has described the MOQ as anti-theistic. He's said 
that only a mystic  can rightly associate DQ and God. And nobody seems to 
have an intelligent  argument for theism. So why does the debate haunt us? 
Why am I cast as the  bad guy? For defending the obvious? Because I believe 
nonsense shouldn't go  unchallenged in a philosophy forum? If it weren't for 
the efforts of various  stubborn and defensive theists this whole debate 
should have disappeared  long ago.
 
Mark: You've kicked me in the teeth for my efforts, but i want you to know  i 
don't resent you for it.
I can see you are angry, but i think i understand dmb.
You're not a bad guy, but one person can't divert the  shear momentum 
intellectual history overnight.
Be good to yourself.
 
 
dmb:
I'm with Arlo. I think we could really benefit from Joseph Campbell  on this 
topic and he illuminates Pirsig's work in other ways too. Wilber  does 
mysticism too. But none of them are theists. I mean, there are  intelligent 
things to say about that "spiritual" dimension but we never get  around to 
that discussion because we're too busy bullshitting around with  thing like 
"intelligent design."

What a waste.

What a  drag.

sigh.
 
Mark: But this is what any of us may be up against dmb: waste, drag, lies.  
You are a valuable motivation for change and i want you to know that i wish to  
help you if i can, and support you if necessary. Stop sighing and look at the 
 stars. I want to help keep us all out of the gutter dmb.
Love,
Mark