[MD] The SOL-ution

[Heather Perella]

     [Bo]
> It's obvious that Phaedrus, while teaching at the
> school in 
> Montana, lived in SOM reality and began by accepting
> his 
> colleagues' question if (his) Quality was subjective
> or objective. 
> But while thinking about this dilemma he left
> SOM-land. 

     So, as I said, while "thinking about this
dilemma", therefore Quality didn't fit into the S/O
matrix, solely, thus, "he left SOM-land".

      [Bo]
> Intellctualizing seems to be synonymous to
> "thinking" in most 
> people's vocablary, but (in the SOL interpretation)
> it's merely 
> S/O-thinking...

     How is it you think only one way called
"S/O-thinking"?  What of "All this is just an
analogy".  Here's another thinking.  To say dividing
the world is intellect, what of putting the world
together?  The world really doesn't have gaps.  I see
U.S. and I see Canada, no gaping hole between the two.
 Divide implies gaping hole where the two can't come
together.  Subjects and Objects are not definitive. 
Thoughts can be objects, objectified by the thinker. 
Trees can be subjects subjectively painted in numerous
kinds of ways.  To say "All this is just an analogy"
is to get straight to the point.  Sure you may study
rocks and thoughts, but these are just analogies for
ultimate reality and metaphysics is to state ultimate
reality.  S/O thinking does not bring one to
meta-reality/quality, as you said above, Pirsig said
this was a dilemma, left SOM thinking to find a better
way to show the way to understanding/intellectualize
thinking.  But you might be invested in SOL, and may
not want to give it up and I don't expect you to throw
it away.  If it works for you, may lead to something
enlightening, well, that might be for you to find out.

      [Bo]
> ...and as said, when this reached the end
> of its tether 
> by the dilemma Phaedrus entered the realm of
> Quality-thinking.
> I hate to say this, but Pirsig's about the MOQ an
> intellectual 
> pattern is patently wrong. Intellect is a static
> level of the MOQ 
> and can't contain the whole system. Dynamic Quality
> is after all 
> part of the MOQ and can't be a static pattern.


    Ah, but you just made dynamic quality a static
pattern by typing above D-y-n-a-m-i-c Q-u-a-l-i-t-y. 
Yes, the true dq cannot be made static, but you can
intellectualize and make static dq, too, but don't
ever forget the true dq is not ever static.  These, as
Pirsig has said, are all just pointings, signs showing
where to look.


      [Bo]
> This is tried overcome by saying that MOQ's
> Dynamic/Static 
> divide is an arbitrary divide of Quality, but this
> created so much 
> confusion that now Pirsig says that DQ is the
> ineffable 
> "QUALITY" (I'm still searching for the quote).   

     Why are you so confused by this?

     [Bo]
> Phaedrus equalized his Quality with the Greek
> "Aretê" or 
> "Excellence" that reigned before the philosopheres
> introduced the 
> SOM. In the the  said proto-moq  Quality was divided
> into a 
> Romantic/Classic duality It had no "classic levels",
> but please 
> note  that the Classic half it is sub-titled
> "intellect" and splits into 
> Subjective/Objective. This indicates that Phaedrus
> didn't see the 
> initial Romantic/Classic split as an intelectual
> pattern, rather that 
> the Classic part  was "intellect"! This is the way
> the final MOQ 
> should have been intrepreted: The 4th
> classic-static. level = 
> intellect = S//O.


     Why do you insist on this when Pirsig tried to
find another way to describe intellectual due to the
dilemma S/O makes?  We know S/O is an intellectual
event, but to say it is the only thinking
(SOM-thinking, you said above) is to throw out the
other thinking going on here.

     As I've said above, I understand you've invested
in SOL and so probably don't won't to give it up and
that's understandable.  It may offer something to
someone, maybe even me at times, but I'm not going to
continue this discussion if it turns into a convincing
match SOL v. Excellence (or All this is just an
analogy).  I don't see these as a versus, and I know
SOL is not the sole way, so, I just keep my mind open,
thanks.


snowing this morning,
SA


 
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