[MD] American moral complex

[MarshaV]

At 05:45 PM 7/29/2007, you wrote:
>      [Marsha]
> > Maybe we each come at this differently.  I'm not
> > suggesting there's just one reason to wonder about
>philosophical
> > questions, but I think curiosity is a good one.
>
>
>      Yes, we each can come at this differently.  I was
>just wondering about curiousity?  Doesn't it suggest
>we can know something we don't already know, and need
>to know or seek some kind of way that others have
>found?  Curiosity can also mean we naturally learn,
>but learn what?  And how?  I don't think learning
>facts without any pragmatic/practical application is
>very compassionate in the long run.

Why do you think it's not very compassionate?  Why should I pay 
attention to your judgements?



>      [Marsha]
> > If I am a constellation of overlapping &
>everchanging spovs, than I
> > might be curious what those patterns might be.
>
>      Well, you are all four levels.

Yes, I am made up of some patterns from all four levels.


>      [Marsha]
> > What are they?
>
>      Intellectual, social, organic, and inorganic.

Brushing my teeth is a pattern I perform twice a day.  I think I'll 
keep this pattern going.

>      [Marsha]
> > How do they work?
>
>      Yes, collecting scientific data helps in
>understanding how they work, and this kind of studying
>continues.
>
>      [Marsha]
> > What sets them to activate?
>
>      Dynamic quality

Might they be activated by another pattern?


>      [Marsha]
> > Should they exist?
>
>      They do.

There's a pattern to fear Friday the 13th?  Should this type of 
pattern control my actions?  I think not.


>      [Marsha]
> > What benefits?
>
>      The later is morally to benefit the
>former/founding level.  These levels work within
>themselves to meet this moral obligation.

Come on????????   That's the map, not the moon.


>      [Marsha]
> > Is something harmed?  What do they influence?
>
>      These last two questions are important.  To
>collect knowledge without any helpful application
>isn't very compassionate.  Maybe in time this
>collected knowledge, 'just the facts', will help out
>somewhere, but then somebody would need to find
>meaning, value in these facts and find pertinate
>application.  I keep thinking how the intellectual
>level has a moral obligation to help the social level.

I understand seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling AND 
thinking to be tools.  Nothing wrong with using them all.


>      [Marsha]
> > If they disintegrate, same questions?  Are they a
>subset of other
> > patterns?
>
>      Sure patterns are in four levels.  They may
>generate into a higher level or degenerate into a
>lower level.

Not sure about that.


>     [Marsha]
> > What do they serve?
>
>      Not sure of the question.

Does a particular pattern serve another patterns?


>      [Marsha]
> > Are they common in other individuals?
>
>      Not sure of the question.

As constellations of static patterns of value, are individuals 
identical configurations of patterns?


>      [Marsha]
> > How far does that commonality reach?
>
>      Until they differ.

SA, I'm not looking for a fixed reality, reasons why, justifications, 
ethics, purpose or anything like that.  I'm just curious.  I'm 
especially curious about things in the mind.  Some people are bird 
watchers.  Some people are people watchers.  I like to watch my 
mind.  It's just an interest of mine. I figure my mind works more or 
less like everybody else's.  Plus, it's often very humorous, and I 
love to laugh.  What can I say?  I sometimes paint 
self-portraits.  They can be humorous too.  And sometimes I think 
that everything I paint is a self portrait.


>      [Marsha]
> > Etc., etc., etc....
>
>       What etc..., etc...?  dynamic quality.

Sometimes questions lead to insight, sometimes to more questions, 
sometimes nowhere.  That's just the way it is.

>
>      [Marsha]
> > Why wonder you might ask?  I believe, as Socrates
>stated, that an
> > unexamined life is not worth living.  Huh?
>
>      true.  I don't ask why to wondering.  But disney
>world dreaming only goes so far, but then again, Mr.
>Disney came up with a place that is applicable to his
>dreams.

Ooooh!  Should I stare at trees?  Would you approve of that?

>      [Marsha]
> > To become a truer, clearer, more decisive
>constellation.
>
>      sure, why not, but how does this help the social
>level?
>

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  I can't say for sure.   Am I 
obligated to perform certain duties to help the social level?  Would 
you tell me what you think these duties might be?



Marsha