[MD] American moral complex

[Heather Perella]

     [SA previously]
>  I don't think learning facts without any
pragmatic/practical 
> application is very compassionate in the long run.

      [Marsha] 
> Why do you think it's not very compassionate?  Why
> should I pay attention to your judgements?

      Back to square one.  Ok, your curious.  How does
curiousness reach out to others?  Explain this
curiousness.


> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > What are they?

      [SA previously]
> >      Intellectual, social, organic, and inorganic.

     [Marsha] 
> Brushing my teeth is a pattern I perform twice a
> day.  I think I'll keep this pattern going.

     Good for you.


> >      [Marsha previously referring to the four
levels]
> > > What sets them to activate?

      [SA previously]
> >      Dynamic quality

     [Marsha] 
> Might they be activated by another pattern?

     Sure, why not.  We already know this.  The other
static patterns.
 
 
> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > Should they exist?

     [SA previously]
> >      They do.

     [Marsha] 
> There's a pattern to fear Friday the 13th?  Should
> this type of pattern control my actions?  I think
not.

     Good for you.


> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > What benefits?

     [SA previously]
> >      The later is morally to benefit the
> >former/founding level.  These levels work within
> >themselves to meet this moral obligation.

     [Marsha] 
> Come on????????   That's the map, not the moon.


    Whenever I 'moon' using the internet, only words,
thus, a map will come up on your screen.  Not sure
what your driving at here.

 
> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > Is something harmed?  What do they influence?

     [SA previously]
> >      These last two questions are important.  To
> >collect knowledge without any helpful application
> >isn't very compassionate.  Maybe in time this
> >collected knowledge, 'just the facts', will help
> out somewhere, but then somebody would need to find
> >meaning, value in these facts and find pertinate
> >application.  I keep thinking how the intellectual
> >level has a moral obligation to help the social
level.

     [Marsha] 
> I understand seeing, hearing, tasting, touching,
> smelling AND thinking to be tools.  Nothing wrong
with using them
> all.

     Nobody said otherwise, or at least I didn't.  I'm
actually talking about the USE of them all.  For what?
 We are not in a bubble here in our safe little world
closed off from everything, I think you may agree with
this.  So, in what way do these levels connect, and
since we are all four levels how do we connect them in
the valued moral way I believe the MoQ sets out to
convince underlies our experience already.

 
> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > If they disintegrate, same questions?  Are they
> a subset of other patterns?

     [SA previously]
> >      Sure patterns are in four levels.  They may
> >generate into a higher level or degenerate into a
lower level.

     [Marsha] 
> Not sure about that.

     Exactly, but the movements and changes we do know
about are moral.

  
> >     [Marsha previously]
> > > What do they serve?

     [SA previously]
> >      Not sure of the question.

     [Marsha] 
> Does a particular pattern serve another patterns?

     By serve what do you mean?  To help or to bow
down.  There are have been known to be different types
of serve, which one are you referring to?

 
> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > Are they common in other individuals?

     [SA previously]
> >      Not sure of the question.

     [Marsha] 
> As constellations of static patterns of value, are
> individuals identical configurations of patterns?

     Identical?

> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > How far does that commonality reach?

     [SA previously]
> >      Until they differ.

     [Marsha] 
> SA, I'm not looking for a fixed reality, reasons
> why, justifications, ethics, purpose or anything
like that.  I'm just
> curious.

     I'm just wondering what this curiousness does. 
I'm sure it does something, but what?  This is a
significant question for me, but one that you would
have a better answer for probably since this is
something you do.

      [Marsha]
> I'm especially curious about things in the mind. 
Some
> people are bird watchers.  Some people are people
watchers.  I like
> to watch my mind.  It's just an interest of mine. I
figure my
> mind works more or less like everybody else's. 
Plus, it's often very
> humorous, and I love to laugh.  What can I say?  I
sometimes paint 
> self-portraits.  They can be humorous too.  And
> sometimes I think that everything I paint is a self
portrait.

     I see.  Thank you.  What does this portrait do? 
I know you say you like to watch.  Watching is an
event, but what does this watching do with the world? 
It is an event we can't avoid at least while we still
breath.

 
> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > Etc., etc., etc....

     [SA previously]
> >       What etc..., etc...?  dynamic quality.

     [Marsha] 
> Sometimes questions lead to insight, sometimes to
> more questions, sometimes nowhere.  That's just the
way it is.

    I agree.


> >      [Marsha]
> > > Why wonder you might ask?  I believe, as
> Socrates stated, that an unexamined life is not
worth living.  Huh?

      [SA previously]
 >      true.  I don't ask why to wondering.  But
> disney world dreaming only goes so far, but then
again,
> Mr. Disney came up with a place that is applicable
to
> his dreams.

    [Marsha] 
> Ooooh!  Should I stare at trees?  Would you approve
> of that?

     What would that do?  This is not a question of
approval or not, is it?  I'm wondering what staring
does with this world.  The only movements and changes
that the MoQ discusses that I can think of at this
moment are moral and therefore a question of
degenerative or generative.  Otherwise these static
patterns are static, right?  Water flows down a creek,
and over some rocks, thus, a waterfall.  Water is
dynamic and changes its' shape, speed, and position
due to gravity as it flows through a creek.  Water is
still on the inorganic level, now for those changes
the water experienced and emerge from this water
experience?  I guess these shapes, speed, and
positions, etc... of water along a creek is still
water on the inorganic level, water that is being
creative and dynamic like splashes of thoughts in the
mind that you watch.  

 
> >      [Marsha previously]
> > To become a truer, clearer, more decisive
constellation.

     [SA previously]
> >      sure, why not, but how does this help the
> social level?

    [Marsha] 
> Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  I can't say for
sure.   Am I obligated > to perform certain duties to
help the social level?  Would you tell me > what you
think these duties might be?

     We ARE on the social level (we are all four
levels as mentioned above), so, what does what you
describe above do on this social level you are apart
of?  What kind of connection does this becoming "a
truer, clearer, more decisive constellation." make
between the intellectual and social levels?  As what
"these duties might be", well, this is your
constellation that I'm asking about.  I'm not only
asking out of curiosity, but also in an effort to be
generative upon the social level, not degenerative.

Thank you.

thunder,
SA


       
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