[MD] dualism redux

[ian glendinning]

Kevin, inserted ...

On 3/1/07, Kevin Perez <kjp_on_moq at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Ian,
>
> > Journey's end (enlightenment) is arriving at a place where you can see
> > the journey has no end.
>
> Is this your experience?
[IG] - Err, yes, so far, from my perspective, naturally.

>
> Interesting.  The dualist in me sees two journeys.  But the mystic in me
> sees paradox and truth.
[IG] Stick with your mystic then. No truth the other way (in your own words).

>
> > (Reality / life is a never ending and evolving
> > process of interactions, where subjects objects, means, ends, causes,
> > etc are our pragmatic lingustic conveniences, etc.)
>
> Experience, belief or some of both?
[IG] What other kind of belief is there ?  Based on experiences (and
intellectual and aesthetic interpretation of those, naturally)

> In this description where do you see
> your future...long, long term?
[IG] Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. And re-enter the loop somewhere
else, some other time maybe. (Like anyone hoping to make a dent in the
world, I live in hope that the odd meme may live on too.)

>
> > The MOQ is "final" in the sense that it includes the definition of
> > it's own future. It is an intellectual pattern that defines how future
> > patterns may evolve.
>
> Do you see the MOQ as finite or infinite?  I see its limits.
[IG] Both. It encapsulates / seeds the whole, but is itself only a
part. It includes the basis of evolving anything better than itself.
What more can one ask for, apart from the idea of some absolute.

>
> > The part which includes the whole.
> > (A beautiful, cosmological-scale Quine.)
>
> Life, yes.  Reality, yes.  Concepts, no.  MOQ, no.
[IG] If you see this in life and reality, then forget the MoQ and its
concepts; They're just linguistic descriptions, intellectual patterns
used to communicate with people who do not yet see it that way.

So Kevin, you don't buy the MoQ as a useful matphysics or world-view ?
Ian

>
> Thanks Ian.
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
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