[MD] mystical awareness and intellectual explantions

[MarshaV]

At 07:04 AM 3/13/2007, Bo wrote:
>Hi Marsha
>First of all sorry for the "Islam ..." letter which was for a local
>newspaper. How it ended up at the MD? Hope nobody
>understands Norwegian, particularly Khaled.
>
>12 Mar. you wrote:
>
> > You've stated "reality is language".  You don't see "reality as
> > experience"?
>
>"Reality as experience?" I think that's a tenet of empiricism. The
>MOQ basic postulate is
>
>     Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to
>     intellectual abstractions.  (LILA p 42)
>
>Maybe you have this in mind?
>
>     It (Logical positivism) is an outgrowth of empiricism, the
>     idea that all knowledge must come from experience, and
>     is suspicious of any thought, even a scientific statement,
>     that is incapable of being reduced to direct observation.
>     (LILA 43)
>

Hi Bo,

Isn't the MOQ called a radical empiricism?  From Lila:

"The Metaphysics of Quality subscribes to what is 
called empiricism. It claims that all legitimate 
human knowledge arises from the senses or by 
thinking about what the senses provide. Most 
empiricists deny the validity of any knowledge 
gained through imagination, authority, tradition, 
or purely theoretical reasoning. They regard 
fields such as art, morality, religion, and 
metaphysics as unverifiable. The Metaphysics of 
Quality varies from this by saying that the 
values of art and morality and even religious 
mysticism are verifiable, and that in the past 
they have been excluded for metaphysical reasons, 
not empirical reasons. They have been excluded 
because of the metaphysical assumption that all 
the universe is composed of subjects and objects 
and anything that can't be classified as a 
subject or an object isn't real. There is no 
empirical evidence for this assumption at all. It is just an assumption."


>Anyway as said I immediately recognized my "language = reality"
>relationship with Pirsig's "quality = reality"  and had no problems
>giving it up in favor of the latter. Value so to say is the mother of
>them all. After all Pirsig had a similar feeling when HE met with
>Poincarè's "Everything is Harmony". From that he ought to have
>seen that it is the Dynamic/Static division of the ineffable
>something that counts not the entity itself.

Yes, you did move on to quality = reality.  Sorry for interrupting.

Marsha