[MD] mystical awareness and intellectual explantions

[Ron Kulp]

Mr. Skutvik,
Language has been fascinating me also. The fact that I myself, tend to
reason and intellectualize in english
In my head, has lead me to theorize that language is deeply embeded in
intellectualized thought, when
I see the word "stop", I hear the word in my head. I leads one to ask
the question: is it that intellect
 is embedded in language?.
Mans thirst for knowledge, or more accuratly, to be as god, lead them to
be expelled from eden
As the myth goes,But this was after everything was named, for after
language to name came language to intellectualize
Opposites appeared eden was gone, And death realized.
Language, you and I seem to have been drawn to Pirsigs work for similar
reasons..
I thank you for your response.
-Ron

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Ron and All

On 6 March you wrote:

> Mr. Skutvik,
> I was touring your web page and reading your work, I appreciate your 
> painting style by the way  the impressionistic realism evokes mood and

> atmosphere with your masterful brush strokes, I'd like to know more 
> about your thoughts regarding the cow, you mention something about 
> Animals being imortal because they are not able to percieve death. If 
> I may ask, could you Expand on this? Thank you -x

How to go about this without merely repeating that part of my essay? As
told I was a little philosopher from my earliest age, but to proceed to
my late twenties - early sixties of the century - it reached some climax
with a kind of epiphany (one never knows what the real article is).
Recently I tried to tell Case about it, but its next to impossible to
convey such an experience, anyway, it was a sudden insight that our
reality is language, not suspended in - or based on -, or just -  but
LANGUAGE. It was no conclusion of any previous argument or thoughts, but
struck out of the blue with total conviction. 

Why/how cows entered this was my childhood fasciation with these
inscrutable animals. Perhaps all animals are inscrutable but cats and
dogs f.ex. signals some responses. If you gaze at a dog it looks away as
if embarrassed, but in a cow's eye no recognition of anything is found.
Well, after the insight it was passed on to these animals I had felt so
sorry for in my childhood because of their ignorance of their own fate
and indifference whether in the meadow or their way to the
slaughterhouse. Because they were outside language they were outside
death too, immortal so to say. 

I later expanded this to ourselves: We might die but we cant be dead,
because "to be" indicates existence ...and some more of such. In fact I
still regard it as valid. Language indicates some an impression of a
non-existent existence. Perhaps from where the catholic "limbo" stems.
We speak of a recent deceased person as if being dead, not quite at the
far side, but by and by their new status is becoming more normal, for
instance, we don't look on historic figures as "dead", their post-life
status is their proper 
state.                 

OK, my obsession  with this made me speak endlessly about it, but after
many blank stares and friendly advice not to dwell on things like that,
I didn't speak so much but thought about it no less. And now another
complication occurred. Some other problems of mine - this I pass over -
lead to a an anxiety attack, and my fears found a focus in my
speculations: They were the reason for my illness! And now I really was
in limbo, trying to avoid my thoughts from wandering into the field that
immediately evoked my fears. This was 1968 and many years of this
followed, but then in 1977 I found Pirsigs "Zen ..." and things changed,
finally a fate similar to my own. 

Even if Pirsigs Quality insight and my own Language don't immediately
match I recognized it immediately, and I became a Pirsig fan to say the
least. Subject/object metaphysics NOT being realitys ground  was what
evoked insights like mine about absolutes beyond. SOM confronts you with
two incompatible alternatives - all is mind or mind a by-product - none
acceptable, thus my Language was a variety of Quality and I happily
accepted Pirsig's version and eagerly awaited his next book.  

>From ZMM I had sensed how he would finish off SOM by the
lethal grip he had fastened on it (identifying it as the "intellectual" 
- or Classic - part of the proto moq) but when LILA arrived none of this
happened. The Romantic/Classic becoming Dynamic/Static was just perfect
, and so were the static levels, but "intellect" (the level) were no
longer the S/O, rather SOM had become a faulty idea of an
idea-intellect. And what's more, Quality was not part of  the MOQ, the
metaphysics was just another intellectual pattern . Not that I saw these
things at first glance, but after a year of the "Lila Squad" I launched
the SOLQI idea, that since has been my mission incomplete. 

Why Pirsig let his world-shaking idea down in favor of the bland version
embraced by som many as an affirmation of their pre- conceived New Age
leaning, I will never know. For a long time I thought he had found it
too radical and - you know sailing around, hammering away on his new
book not knowing if a single person would understand the first thing -
wanted to tune it down, but (my reasoning went on ...) when he saw that
someone had grasped the idea he would open up. But this was vanity, in
"Lila's Child" it was clear that he did not endorse the SOL - didn't
even understand it -  rather, in later letters - to Paul Turner f.ex. -
he tuned SOM down to some irrelevant episode that hardly matters.

Well, here I go again. This was more than you asked for Ron. 
Regarding cows they ARE immortal in a MOQ light too, Biology as such is
immortal, death entered with the social level. The paleontologists say
that the one sure sign of an awareness of death is burial rituals, which
reveals the social wish/will of continuity beyond. 

Enough 

Bo     



          

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