[MD] mystical awareness and intellectual explantions

[skutvik at online.no]

Ron and All

On 13 Mar. you wrote:

> Language has been fascinating me also. The fact that I myself, tend to
> reason and intellectualize in english In my head, has lead me to
> theorize that language is deeply embeded in intellectualized thought,
> when I see the word "stop", I hear the word in my head. I leads one to
> ask the question: is it that intellect is embedded in language?.

You say that "..language is deeply embedded in intellectualized 
thought" but end with asking if "...intellect is embedded in 
language". Those two seem to neutralize each other, but this may 
illustrate language's voyage up through the levels. 

I see the biological level as its "mute" origin. By this cryptic 
remark I mean that the neural concentration called brain 
facilitated storage and retrieval of experience (RAM) that enabled 
anticipation of future experiences. This ability may be called 
"intelligence" (how animals perceive reality is difficult to say, but 
it's as sense experience that's for sure). 

With the human cortex brain the said capability increased and 
IMO became the stepping stone to the social level and when 
language proper arrived  the said bio-intelligence became 
language-borne, i.e. humans perceived and memorized 
experience by language. However, language was not considered 
abstract or that the silent language were "thoughts" or took place 
in "mind", or anything of intellect's S/Os.  

An aside. When the social level was top notch it may be called a 
magical reality, as said it did not see (silent) language as 
thoughts or words as abstractions, rather langue was a powerful 
means to invoke and sway the forces/gods by rituals of all kinds. 
A remnant of this is to-day's social patterns of religions and their 
rituals and prayers.

Finally to "intellect embedded in language" (that I would have 
liked turned round). When the intellectual level was achieved the 
original biological intelligence - turned language-intelligence at 
the social level - was now adopted by intellect and here language 
- that which the social level hadn't seen different from their world 
- became thoughts or abstract words  that the subject applied to 
an objective world out there. 

So no wonder that you  - when viewing things from intellect - 
conclude:

    The fact that I myself, tend to reason and intellectualize in 
    english In my head, has lead me to theorize that language 
    is deeply embedded in intellectualized thought,  

Language surely ended up at the intellectual level as 
"intellectualized thought" 

> Mans thirst for knowledge, or more accuratly, to be as god, lead them
> to be expelled from eden As the myth goes,But this was after
> everything was named, for after language to name came language to
> intellectualize Opposites appeared eden was gone, And death realized.
> Language, you and I seem to have been drawn to Pirsigs work for
> similar reasons.. I thank you for your response. -Ron

This is another interesting point. When the social level and 
language entered, it was seen "knowledge" (of death also) and I 
too believe that this was what became the Fall Myth. 

"After language to name came language to intellectualize" is just 
spot on and an excellent compressed form of my long-winded 
explanation above. 

Bo