[MD] the illusion of zero

[Kevin Perez]

Hello Ron.
 
>  I applied  the 2+2=5  thinking to the trinity ,  Father, Son, Holy
> ghost .
> 
> Holy ghost is the value between creator and created, Father and son.
> 
> therefore oneness in God lies in the relationship between creator and
> created
> 
> God is not absolute but the value of God and us is. therefore the "holy
> ghost"
> 
> is truly eternal and everlasting because it is not absolute but
> everchanging
> 
> a "living word"...a "value".
 
I'd say you and Richard Rohr share a similar perspective.
 
The following are excerpts from a homily given by Richard Rohr last year on
Trinity Sunday (June 11, 2006).
 
     "I heard a quote from a nuclear scientist who said that "the more we
     discover about the nature of the universe...it is not just stranger
     than we think but even stranger than we can think."  The mind breaks
     down before the mystery.  Logic no longer serves us well.  And I'm
     sure we have to say exactly the same thing when we speak of God
     as Trinity.  God is not only stranger than we think but stranger than
     we can think."
 
     "[...] after three centuries the Church actually came upon this word
     trinity.  The word is not found in the Bible.  That God is not One but
     somehow Three.  And it became almost a mathematical conundrum
     or dilemma.  And we were told, as least I was told when I was a little
     boy, don't think about it.   And of course Sister was right because it
     was literally unthinkable.
 
     "[...] after seventeen hundred more years of reflecting upon this
     impossible, wonderful mystery theologians and mystics are giving us
     a better way to understand.  They're saying don't start with one and try
     to make it into three.  Start with three and realize that is the shape of
     everything in this universe, in this One.  That everything lives inside of
     communion.  Everything lives inside of relationship.  That God himself
     is a relationship.  First of all there is the relationship.  There is the
     perfect giving and the perfect receiving between the three that we call
     Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 
     "[...] your and my deepest and truest self, to live inside of relationship,
     to live inside of communion, to live inside of a flow that never stops.
     And brothers and sisters you don't create the flow.  All you can do is
     like stepping in a river, stand inside of it, it's already flowing.  It's already
     happening.
 
     "We human beings are [...] creation come to full consciousness.
     The animals live inside of it naturally.  The trees and the flowers and
     the flowing water lives inside of it naturally.  But you and I are the only
     creatures who can say just like the disciples did in that Gospel, "No,
     it's not true.  I don't believe it."  There was that throw away line that
     perhaps you almost missed when I read the Gospel.  It said they fell
     down in worship.  But they doubted.  Did you notice that?  Even the
     great Apostles in the moment of great recognition of the risen Christ
     were filled with resistance and doubt.  They were stopping the flow.
     And yet it's in that agony, in that confrontation, in that wanting to
     believe and yet not able to believe that it seems to me that the mystery
     comes forth.
 
The full text and an audio file are available at
http://home.earthlink.net/~zmdq3v17cj37/
 

Kevin

 
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