[MD] -elitist ideas

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Case]
I think I side with Platt and Kevin on this one. You can refine your
understanding of the interaction of rocks in such a way as to use the term
experience.

[Arlo]
I think I am refining my understanding to what Pirsig was saying. You may
disagree, of course, but I don't think I am out-of-bounds regarding the MOQ.
Indeed, I'd say I am the one "in bounds". To define "experience" to exclude
inorganic patterns goes against the fundamental principle of "value" underlying
all levels. If inorganic patterns do not "experience" inorganic value, then why
do they respond the way they do? 

Saying "value" or "experience" only emerges at the bio-social levels denies, in
my opinion, the claim that Quality is the Source. This is just what I had
posted to Kevin. Value *must* exist at the inorganic level, and as such
inorganic patterns *must* experience said value. Otherwise Quality itself does
not exist until we hit the more advanced levels of bio-social patterns.

And then we are right back to SOM. Objects that do not experience Quality, and
Subjects that do. Quality, then, is a subjective experience against an external
value-less world.

You and Kevin and Platt can embrace that position, but I don't think it reflects
the MOQ, I think it is straightforward SOM.