[MD] experience

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>:

> [Arlo]
> So an electron that is part of my brain "experiences", but an electron that is
> part of a rock "does not"? Is "man" so special now that an electron that is
> privileged enough to be part of a human brain is the only electron that
> experiences at all?

The electron in the rock experiences, but not the rock which you have 
claimed. If you had said that electrons experience gravity I would have agreed.

> Again, as I've said, if we truly hold that Quality is the Source, and this
> value/experience is the stuff from which all things are built, then I see it as
> quite absurd to deny value/experience (Quality) to all of nature, using the MOQ
> as a guide for what is possible on each successive level.

Since "all of nature" consists of particles, atoms, and molecules which experience
as demonstrated by their presence in organisms, I don't see your problem.

> [Platt]
> How particles, atoms and molecules managed to evolve into organisms (whose
> capacity to experience is hardly in doubt) is as much a mystery today as it has
> ever been. Pirsig’s explanation of "betterness" is a good as any and
> certainly better than "emergence" which explains nothing.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Pirsig's MOQ is one of emergence. We've been through that. Biological patterns
> emerge from collective activity of inorganic patterns. I'm not sure if you
> think the MOQ brings some type of "extra-natural" intent into the picture, kind
> of like a God that designed and then built "man", but I see no "intent" within
> the MOQ.

I certainly see intent towards higher Quality, greater morality. If not, what's
the hierarchy all about?

> Like Case has long offered, the MOQ is best described by "AHA!" (or maybe "AHA!
> That's better!!!), where Dynamic advances appear and are latched and over time
> these "AHA!" moments, after a bunch of false starts and failed latchings, led
> to us. No pre-divined intent. No extra-natural "plan". Just lower level
> patterns collectivizing, emergence, Dynamic advances and static latching. 

You said it, "That's better." And you called it an "advance." The implication
that DQ is force for good is clear, "the ongoing free force of life." 


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