[MD] experience

[Platt Holden]

> [Platt]
> The electron in the rock experiences, but not the rock which you have
> claimed. If you had said that electrons experience gravity I would have
> agreed.
> 
> [Arlo]
> I'm not sure what the difference is in saying that all the particles of the
> rock experience gravity, and the rock experiences gravity. This would be
> like saying the human body does not experience gravity, but all of its
> cells do.

Cells, being biological organisms experience gravity as does the 
biological organism called the human body (by which I presume you mean a
living rather than a dead body which experiences nothing, being like 
dust).

> [Platt]
> Since "all of nature" consists of particles, atoms, and molecules which
> experience as demonstrated by their presence in organisms, I don't see your
> problem.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Fair enough. I thought your point was that only particles that are actively
> part of a human brain experience. I was wrong, and it appears we are closer
> in agreement that I had thought. :-)

I think we basically agree. But I draw the line at inert inorganic 
conglomerates like mountains, rocks, and rills as capable of experience.

> [Platt]
> I certainly see intent towards higher Quality, greater morality. If not,
> what's the hierarchy all about?
> 
> [Arlo]
> This, basically. 100 million years ago, was there a design to create man?
> 100 billion years ago? Where? And if there was no pre-design, then I can't
> see how anything better than "AHA! That's better!" explains man's
> existence. 

A plan whereby all the details were worked out in advance, no. The intent
to create harmony, beauty, excellence, perfection, value, quality, 
morality, yes. 

> [Platt]
> You said it, "That's better." And you called it an "advance." The
> implication that DQ is force for good is clear, "the ongoing free force of
> life."
> 
> [Arlo]
> Sure. I just don't think the "advance" was "planned". The world got by for
> hundreds of millions of years without "man". Our being here is no more
> special than platypi being here. We have better skills, sure, but the fact
> that we exist is no more intended than the existence of the platypus.

Better skills includes a wider, fuller, deeper consciousness and 
appreciation of harmony, beauty, excellence, perfection, value, quality,  
morality. Whether intended or not, I'd rather think its better to be human 
than a platypus. 
 
Platt