[MD] the illusion of zero

Mon Mar 19 05:06:31 PDT 2007

Thanks Case,
Sounds like a good read , when these things come to you on their own it
really shakes you perception,
you begin to notice the pattern and see it in things that you would not
have before.
The whole "averaging representing an absolute" ..
Just so happens I came by a book called "when Harlie was one" about a
computer that had 144
Variations between 1 and 0   or "yes and no" the computer developed
value judgement, it was based
In "fluidics" and worked on fluid pressure rather than electricy.
Coolest sci-fi I 've read in a while
Thanks again for the recommendation
-Ron

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Case
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Ron,

Not being a Trinitarian I am not sure how much help I can be. In fact it
seems to me you are really pushing it since this looks a lot more like:
1+1+1=5.

This does however call to mind Whitehead's conception of the Primordial
and Consequent natures of God. Whitehead is the one who said, "All
philosophy is footnotes to Plato." So it is likely that his Primordial
Nature of God is more or less equivalent to the Platonic forms.
Whitehead's own "footnote"
regarding the Consequent Nature of God has to do with the completion of
God's nature through the process of time. In theological circle
Whitehead's views have been expanded into Process Theology.

As for your conundrum over Zero I highly recommend Charles Seife's
"Zero:
The Biography of a Dangerous Idea". He describes how the Greek rejected
the idea and why. He also talks about the historic tension between Zero
and Infinity and how the two have duked it out in the squared circle of
history.

Case

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ron Kulp
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:19 PM
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Subject: [MD] the illusion of zero

 I applied  the 2+2=5  thinking to the trinity ,  Father, Son, Holy
ghost . 

Holy ghost is the value between creator and created, Father and son.

therefore oneness in God lies in the relationship between creator and
created

God is not absolute but the value of God and us is. therefore the "holy
ghost"

is truly eternal and everlasting because it is not absolute but
everchanging

a "living word"...a "value". 

coincedentally this concept arose with the greeks about the same time as
the trinity idea emerged 

Pirsig hit this same trinity and quality was the result....quality is
the value between subject and object

thought and matter.

by trying to find a beginning you are getting lost in the invention of
zero.

an arbitrary anchorpoint for math and reality to exist, there is no
beginning so we invented one.

the illusion of zero, nothing makes sense without it I feel this is the
bugger thats nagging

SOM.  The entire edifice of western thought rests on the concept of a
zero sum which does not exist.

yet we apply it to our science of the natural phenomenal world and
wonder why paradox emerges.

...just thinking out loud

-Ron

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