[MD] the illusion of zero

[Ron Kulp]

 [Case]
Not being a Trinitarian I am not sure how much help I can be. In fact it
seems to me you are really pushing it since this looks a lot more like:
1+1+1=5.

[Ron]
More like 1+1+1=1,(.45+.45+.45=1.35) my emphisis lies in the averaging.
the value for absolute.
That pirsig is right, the trinity is right, the tao te ching is right.
Value my friend, right Here in river city. Beginning and end, zero, and
any absolute is a contruct for understanding An illusionary tool.
1+1 is allways going on . 1+1 can equal
3. 1+1 can equal 2. 1+1 can equal 1. 
Three outcomes depending on the value of 1 .
"one" is not absolute. it is the value of one that can never be known
The dynamic value. That's what is so interesting about fractile geometry
It randomly flipflops the rounding error creating interesting
nature-like Mathmatical constructs when compounded geometricly, thus it
seems infinately Large and infinately small with great detail limited
only by the decimal Place allowed for rounding.
The same thing goes for language you assume an absolute definition So
that communication is understandable but in reality terms mean different
Things to different people. The "value" of the term must be established
Before communication can be more accurate especially when involved In
abstract thought when the variation in the value of a term can Compound
instantly.
-Ron


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Case
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:57 PM
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Ron,

Not being a Trinitarian I am not sure how much help I can be. In fact it
seems to me you are really pushing it since this looks a lot more like:
1+1+1=5.

This does however call to mind Whitehead's conception of the Primordial
and Consequent natures of God. Whitehead is the one who said, "All
philosophy is footnotes to Plato." So it is likely that his Primordial
Nature of God is more or less equivalent to the Platonic forms.
Whitehead's own "footnote"
regarding the Consequent Nature of God has to do with the completion of
God's nature through the process of time. In theological circle
Whitehead's views have been expanded into Process Theology.

As for your conundrum over Zero I highly recommend Charles Seife's
"Zero:
The Biography of a Dangerous Idea". He describes how the Greek rejected
the idea and why. He also talks about the historic tension between Zero
and Infinity and how the two have duked it out in the squared circle of
history.

Case


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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ron Kulp
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:19 PM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: [MD] the illusion of zero


 I applied  the 2+2=5  thinking to the trinity ,  Father, Son, Holy
ghost . 

Holy ghost is the value between creator and created, Father and son.

therefore oneness in God lies in the relationship between creator and
created

God is not absolute but the value of God and us is. therefore the "holy
ghost"

is truly eternal and everlasting because it is not absolute but
everchanging

a "living word"...a "value". 

coincedentally this concept arose with the greeks about the same time as
the trinity idea emerged 

Pirsig hit this same trinity and quality was the result....quality is
the value between subject and object

thought and matter.

by trying to find a beginning you are getting lost in the invention of
zero.

an arbitrary anchorpoint for math and reality to exist, there is no
beginning so we invented one.

the illusion of zero, nothing makes sense without it I feel this is the
bugger thats nagging

SOM.  The entire edifice of western thought rests on the concept of a
zero sum which does not exist.

yet we apply it to our science of the natural phenomenal world and
wonder why paradox emerges.

...just thinking out loud

-Ron

 

 

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